Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Jordon]

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

yep and just repeating scripture means nothing for those who don't care.

But it can do some good eventually to some who don't care

 

[Rufus]

So at some point God will humble them before his grace

So God humbling people is not a gracious act in and of itself?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Again his mercy is pored upon the sinner first

I can only agree to the extent that when a person sins, he or she is not struck dead on the spot ... in allowing the person time to repent would be merciful and gracious on the part of God.

God allows time for the sinner to repent and in so doing, we can see God's love, grace, mercy.

Does that sound about right to you?

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[Jordon]

I can only agree to the extent that when a person sins, he or she is not struck dead on the spot ... which would be merciful and gracious on the part of God.

God allows time for the sinner to repent and in so doing, we can see God's love, grace, mercy.

Does that sound about right to you?

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you have to agree with what scripture say because mercy comes first in exodus and else where

 

[Rufus]

Everyone in the world today hasn't heard the gospel. You are simply in denial. Anyone else here believe that every single person since the cross has heard the gospel?

The simple-minded among us drown in their denial of truth.

 

[Jordon]

So God humbling people is not a gracious act in and of itself?

it is and I never said it wasnt m

You've already agreed with what i asked

So how can you reverse what I said ?

Have you forgot ?

 

[Rufus]

You're so original....

Just picking up your infinitely long slack...

 

[Rufus]

it is and I never said it wasnt m

You've already agreed with what i asked

So how can you reverse what I said ?

Have you forgot ?

Then you contradicted yourself earlier; for you clearly said that God gives humility first THEN grace. So, which is it?

 

[Cameron143]

The simple-minded among us drown in their denial of truth.

I wonder why no one else answered the question.

 

[Jordon]

Then you contradicted yourself earlier; for you clearly said that God gives humility first THEN grace. So, which is it?

no your determined to not accept my answer now.

So be it.

The lord decreed it then that I should now play your game

 

[GWH]

The problematic part of the doctrine of election (DOE) is not the term “elect”, which simply means “choose souls to be saved”, but rather it is whether God determines that only some sinners will be saved and that the majority of humanity are condemned to hell in accordance with what is known as the Calvinist TULIP dogma, which may be described as follows (with Scriptures indicating the opposite in parentheses):

T – total depravity, meaning souls are unable to exercise sufficient moral free will (MFW) to seek salvation. (Matt. 7:7, Rom. 1:20, 2:5, 3:22-28)

U – unconditional election, meaning that souls need not satisfy a divine requirement such as faith or repentance, but God chooses to save some while damning the rest to hell. (Matt. 4:17, 7:21, John 3:16, Eph. 2:8-10, Gal. 5:6, 1John 3:23)

L – limited atonement, meaning that Christ died to pay the penalty of sin only for elect souls. (Rom. 3:22-26, 5:18, 2Cor. 5:14-19, Heb. 2:14-17, 1John 2:2)

I – irresistible grace, meaning that elect souls cannot resist or refuse God’s will for them to be saved. (Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, 1Tim. 2:3-4, Tit. 2:11, 2Pet. 3:9)

P – perseverance of the saints, meaning that the elect cannot repudiate their salvation and commit apostasy, because God perseveres in keeping them saved. (Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Gal. 5:4, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10)

 

[Rufus]

By wanting me to explain and by wanting to how God's eternal decrees don't make him morally culpable for sin per Calvinism, is basically saying that God's eternal decrees does make him morally culpable for sin, per Calvinism, otherwise the question would not be asked. That's what I've been saying about Calvinism all along, and so it has been affirmed that what I said is true of Calvinism. Which is this: Calvinism has God being morally culpable for man’s sin in His own eternal decree. Also, the fact the questionnaire has referenced Job 1 and Acts 4 as verses to suggest that, further proves that’s what Calvinism believes. I don’t have to answer any questions, as the questionnaire and responses from Calvinists on here has proved my point about Calvinism. By asking the question how God’s eternal decree doesn’t make Him culpable has proved the logical tension and inconsistency in Calvinism.

That's a bald-faced lie. I know of no one in the Reformed tradition that believes what you wrote.

 

[Rufus]

no your determined to not accept my answer now.

So be it.

The lord decreed it then that I should now play your game

You need your memory checked. You can't even remember what you wrote earlier. You definitely did not believe that God giving humility was a gracious act. How could you when you essentially said that grace FOLLOWS humility.

 

[Jordon]

You need your memory checked. You can't even remember what you wrote earlier. You definitely did not believe that God giving humility was a gracious act. How could you when you essentially said that grace FOLLOWS humility.

the lord said to me just now

If you say I am

See he decreed it

 

[Rufus]

Calvinism wants us to believe God is the one directly responsible for Job’s suffering. They want us to believe God directly done that to Job, and used Satan like a henchmen to do His work. That is outright blasphemy and heretical to believe, as if God and Satan are tag team partners. It is absolutely twisted and utterly sick to the utmost core. Just when I think the damnable heresy of Calvinism can’t get any worse, it somehow does.

More lies. You Shirley are emulating the devil today, aren't you? One lie after another!

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

@OLDBUTNEW

Nice question for you asked freely with a kind gesture.

Question

Could you see that when you read this.

Where can I find

But where can I go from your spirit and where can I flee from your presence, means the holy spirit is everywhere

And that means he who exalts themselves will be humbled.

Which means the holy spirit will convict the world, the whole world of there sin.

Which means all will be humbled

@Jordon : Great work, Bro: I understand what you're saying here.

 

[Jordon]

@Jordon : Great work, Bro: I understand what you're saying here.

It came out of the blue

 

[OLDBUTNEW]

Again his mercy is pored upon the sinner first

@Jordon : YES! Exactly, Bro!

 

[Rufus]

I think using logic to refute Calvinism is useful to a point.

I am just soooo taken aback of the level of cognitive dissonance.

Jesus states "believe in me" over and over again, oh right, he was speaking to those he would regenerate first.

"Being born from above" is not at all part of justification or sanctification, it is just some special "enabling' for the chosen that must occur prior to responding to the Gospel message.

Their doctrine is such a joke with dire consequences unfortunately!

Except for the seemingly infinite supply of your own to which you turn your blind eyes.

 

[HeIsHere]

The problematic part of the doctrine of election (DOE) is not the term “elect”, which simply means “choose souls to be saved”,

What do you base this on?