Loss of salvation???

[Ouch]

Not the same for the Jew

So you think there is 2 gospels???

Do you care to expalin???

Be great if you could share how a Jew gets reborn instead of just saying it's not the same.

 

[Genez]

Good point. The context and even the verses themselves show to us that it was something else besides salvation the Lord predestinated:

Ephesians 1:5, 11
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, ...
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Then we have this:

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

The eisegesist will vainly try to argue salvation into that verse and its context, but to no avail since the wording on the pages of my Bible don't conform to wishful thinking. Conformance to His image speaks of His glorified and perfect body and character of righteousness. The Greek speaks volumes more toward meaning when understood through a systematic study as opposed to the usual fare of pick-n-choose, theological hole digging.

Additionally, the context of the above verse is stated in verse 28, addressing those who love God, not pre-selected for salvation by God irrespective of their own choosing. Why people insist upon forcing that into the context without qualification...that speaks of an evil that grates against reason and the very justice of God.

MM

We have been predestined to be living in the Church age because we were chosen in Him to become the Bride of Christ!
Yes... we have been chosen and predestined for that reason!

 

[Genez]

He says CAN'T enter without being born of water and of spirit.

Jesus was speaking of two births when witnessing to Nicodemus.

First birth = water.
That was when your mother broke water to have you born.

Many assume it means water baptism.

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[Me_Clay]

So you think there is 2 gospels???

Do you care to expalin???

Be great if you could share how a Jew gets reborn instead of just saying it's not the same.

I already did explain in baby formula milk to you.

 

[Genez]

Not the same for the Jew

Not true.

I am a Jew.

I guess you have no idea how Jews today do not think like Jews in Jesus day.

Paul said that he was all things to all men.
There may be a different way to present the same Gospel.
Its like food. Different styles, but same beef.

 

[Me_Clay]

Not true.

I am a Jew.

I guess you have no idea how Jews today do not think like Jews in Jesus day.

Paul said that he was all things to all men.
There may be a different way to present the same Gospel.
Its like food. Different styles, but same beef.

I probably gained more enemies here....

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

 

[Ouch]

Jesus was speaking of two births when witnessing to Nicodemus.

First birth = water.
That was when your mother broke water to have you born.

Many assume it means water baptism.

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So your telling me that JESUS didn't know that Nicodemus was already born?

Did you know when we are born naturaly that is when we get our sins?

Did you know that if we were not alread born we would not be able to chose to follow JESUS or Satan?

What do you think the word REBORN means?

How can we be REBORN if not born in the first place?

Born of water does mean baptism because that is when we GET rid of our sins.

Of couse we need both to enter as JESUS says.

 

[Genez]

I probably gained more enemies here....

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

I have not yet seen the Truth you stated.
So...
Tell me then?

How is the Gospel different for the Jew?
I did not catch what you might have said in an earlier post.
So, please state it briefly again for me, please?

 

[Genez]

So your telling me that JESUS didn't know that Nicodemus was already born?

Nicodemus wondered the same thing.

Did you know when we are born naturaly that is when we get our sins?

That is when we get our fallen nature that will cause us to sin, which is to be found in the body.

 

[Me_Clay]

I have not yet seen the Truth you stated.
So...
Tell me then?

How is the Gospel different for the Jew?
I did not catch what you might have said in an earlier post.
So, please state it briefly again for me, please?

I mean this is basic common bible prophecy.

 

[Genez]

I mean this is basic common bible prophecy.

Then why can't you say it?

I have no idea what you have accepted.

Tell me, please?
How is the Gospel different for the Jew?

If you do tell me?
It may stop a misunderstanding that your silence is causing for some of us.

 

[Ouch]

Nicodemus wondered the same thing.



That is when we get our fallen nature that will cause us to sin, which is to be found in the body.

So you really don't think we are born in sin, each of us generate our own.

For sure we generrate our own to add to those we are born with.

Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me

Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

 

[Genez]

So you really don't think we are born in sin, each of us generate our own.

For sure we generrate our own to add to those we are born with.

Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me

Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Ironically, it looks like your sin nature is looking for an argument over something many of us already know.

 

[Genez]

So you really don't think we are born in sin, each of us generate our own.

For sure we generrate our own to add to those we are born with.

Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me

Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

The only sin we are born with is the sin of Adam.
It is why we are born fallen.

 

[BillyBob]

I wonder if some think that belief isnt enough? Is it really that simple? Yes it is. Christ born of a virgin, crucified and ressurected. Believe that? Then your good.

I wonder! Is it possible for a person to be among the worst sinners in the world and yet (1) believe in Christ, (2) have no desire for Him at all, (3) have no desire to please him, yet (4) truly understand that they will someday receive His punishment!
I'm not sure. But if so, then you must ask yourself - is belief enough? James 2:19

 

[Ouch]

The only sin we are born with is the sin of Adam.
It is why we are born fallen.

Which leads to, how do we get rid of them?

 

[Ouch]

I wonder if some think that belief isnt enough? Is it really that simple? Yes it is. Christ born of a virgin, crucified and ressurected. Believe that? Then your good.

Simple, it's not true.

If belief is enough why did JESUS say we have to be born of water and of spirit to enter in John 3:5?

He didn't say just believe and you can enter.

If belief was enough why did Peter say we have to be baptized in JESUS name for remission of sins in Acts 2:38 ?

 

[Barber]

Can a once truly saved believer backslide too much and lose the gift of salvation? If so do they need to repent and ask for forgiveness through Christ again? Thoughts are welcome and scripture too!

How can one be born again, the get unborn?!?! This logic would mean that we may get born again today, then tomorrow, because of some sin we have done get unborn again, then get back on our knees, and become born again! I dont buy it. I think if someone says they are born again, then backslide in a significant way over a long time period, then there would be a giant red flag concerning their salvation to begin with. I know all of us who are born again still continue to sin. And we may lose rewards in Heaven, yet still be saved. We all know there are the wheat and the tares in the body of Christ, so someone who professes Christ, then turns his back on Christ for an extended period sinning grievously, is probably just one of the tares.

 

[Jordon]

Then why can't you say it?

I have no idea what you have accepted.

Tell me, please?
How is the Gospel different for the Jew?

If you do tell me?
It may stop a misunderstanding that your silence is causing for some of us.

You know it's quite refreshing to see you asking a question pleasantly, but then I wonder should i trust you will you still be pleasant if you don't like the answer ?

Well I would like to, can you ?

It seems you have this
Love for Jews, on the bases they are still under a promise, but yet the same promise really offends you for others people you see as not yet saved.

Do you see the issue here ?

 

[Musicmaster]

How can one be born again, the get unborn?!?! This logic would mean that we may get born again today, then tomorrow, because of some sin we have done get unborn again, then get back on our knees, and become born again! I dont buy it. I think if someone says they are born again, then backslide in a significant way over a long time period, then there would be a giant red flag concerning their salvation to begin with. I know all of us who are born again still continue to sin. And we may lose rewards in Heaven, yet still be saved. We all know there are the wheat and the tares in the body of Christ, so someone who professes Christ, then turns his back on Christ for an extended period sinning grievously, is probably just one of the tares.

I've asked numerous times throughout these forum threads that the loss-of-salvation gang show to me that elusive line over which one must allegedly pass to lose his salvation, and not one of them has yet shown it nor even defined it for me. They firmly believe that they have some measure of righteousness within themselves, which is self-righteousness, as some sort of virtue by which they can retain their salvation, therefore denying that retention of salvation is still a works-based salvation.

MM