Loss of salvation???
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"Lordship Salvation refers to the belief which says the sinner who wants to be saved must not only trust Christ as his substitute for sin, but must also surrender every area of his life to the complete control of Christ. "
John MacArthur, Faith Works, p. 25
Amen to that. He is Lord of lords and King of kings.
Now, let's return to the topic at hand. Appreciate you including this quote, though.
No one in the West who attends a church outside of Roman Catholicism can be anything but a product of the Reformation.
Funny enough I once heard someone say that sometimes you see people whom you wish had never received a copy of the Scriptures. His point being there are people who just take the Scriptures and use it for evil purposes as opposed to God honoring ones.
Some think that is all there is to it.
That everybody is just making up stuff.
That nobody really knows anything for sure.
They feel safe that way.
So they feel free to play the Bible game.
You said, there are 2 salvation programs from GOD.
How did the Jews get reborn?
I know they are GODS chosen, some obey JESUS and some are still waiting, but did they follow Peters first message and reborn like those who put JESUS on the cross?
What do the Jews have to do to be reborn.
What do the Gentiles have to do to be reborn.
AMEN, sure am happy GOD got your attention.
Long time ago I also said that prayer, was baptized in the name of the father the son and the Holy Ghost.
Problem in none of it is bible, I found out the truth later JESUS is ALIVE no one EVER mentions the Holy Ghost to me.
When JESUS came inside of me, it changed my life.
There is no place where you ask him in your heart, or that is when he comes in.
Did you look up the prayer in HIS word?
Sin separates us from GOD.
Look what JESUS said in John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
He says CAN'T enter without being born of water and of spirit.
Peters first message that JESUS promised just after he ascended the second time.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Have you been baptized in JESUS name? (born of water)
This is what happened when JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Haves JESUS filled you with HIS spirit? (born of spirit)
This is all HIS word, not my opinion or from my pastor.
ALOT of people on CC don't agree with HIS word.
Your walk is between you and HIM.
Look for your self, DON'T FOLLOW MEN including me, follow JESUS ONLY HE'S the one who died for us and it's HIS RULE BOOK.
GOD BLESS YOU IN YOUR WALK.
so much for dear Jordon,
It's gone from dear Jordon to I'm dog that returns to my vomit to I'm biblical retarded bastard.
I wonder does the God you serve only care for what you think, because I can't see how you and so many here can be seeking God for answers before you speak, with how you address people and condemn so many people, and then I'm suppose to bow down to your understanding of scripture,
And you don't know how much I've lived for God and learned his ways, and studied his word,
There is but one Gospel, and it's God's word, for people to share and know God better, and for learning. His work was finished at the cross he said it was done, and when he says no one comes to son unless by the father he meant it, as if you have the father and the son you have everything you need.
The Gospel is also for people who can teach and mostly for the power to save, because his word is alive and active..
But i dont see any good teaching from many of the posts here from people all I see is condemning behaviour, it's not right what going on here,
Salvation is gift and if you have his life in your heart you have his understanding, you have his healthy active living fear also, you should know not to attack his children, because you should be in fear of going against his active will in you.
You can't just call somebody a biblical retarded bastard and expect people to lay down whilst you just walk all over them.
And all the others in this thread once again just speaking as if there above everybody else.
Holding people sins worse than there own.
There's no evidence of salvation in these comments as if there where you would know how much it meant to be saved from your own sins.
Salvation once saved is not about striping it from others once your saved, and in case you've not noticed this is exactly what's going on here in this thread,
Amen! Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19) In contrast with those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1)
In Psalm 37:28, we read - For the Lord loves justice and does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
That's exactly right, I'm in no way beholding to any one denomination either, the church I attend is mostly because it's the nearest one i go to .
But I know enough to know every church has been reformed since the great reformation, but by looks of things here the great reformation is now the great divide..
I can't see why so many people would want to have denomination fights if there Christians, can you ?
Good point. The context and even the verses themselves show to us that it was something else besides salvation the Lord predestinated:
Ephesians 1:5, 11
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, ...
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Then we have this:
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
The eisegesist will vainly try to argue salvation into that verse and its context, but to no avail since the wording on the pages of my Bible don't conform to wishful thinking. Conformance to His image speaks of His glorified and perfect body and character of righteousness. The Greek speaks volumes more toward meaning when understood through a systematic study as opposed to the usual fare of pick-n-choose, theological hole digging.
Additionally, the context of the above verse is stated in verse 28, addressing those who love God, not pre-selected for salvation by God irrespective of their own choosing. Why people insist upon forcing that into the context without qualification...that speaks of an evil that grates against reason and the very justice of God.
MM
That's why it's called agnosticism. The Nicene and Ante Nicene Fathers were influenced in the opposite direction into a similar Gnosticism that dominated areas like Alexandria.
Foolishness abounds out there.
MM
This could also apply to a more theological question posed to CHATGPT, asking what AI would do to corrupt biblical understanding of the Lord and His truths. Works-based salvation, in all its manifestation through flavors of denominational sectarianism, is today among the greatest tools of Satan to draw away many into a false sense of salvation by way of their petty and pathetic efforts and works. They never give thought to how they have not one measure of righteousness they could add to the sufficiency of Christ's Blood and His grace He has given to us as a gift.
They allow the corruption of their thinking and adopted beliefs through the inclusion of the taints of works-based salvation and works-based retention of their salvation, both of which go hand-in-hand as one and the same.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ta0eG2CnsCE
MM
They allow the corruption of their thinking and adopted beliefs through the inclusion of the taints of works-based salvation and works-based retention of their salvation, both of which go hand-in-hand as one and the same.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ta0eG2CnsCE
MM
People who think they can interpret the Bible for themselves?
Have no idea that the Bible is to be understood, and that there is a correct interpretation.
They figure that no one really knows, so that each one contributing their interpretation can be just as good as the next guy who is really guessing.
So? With that in mind. They ignorantly jump into the fray, thinking they should be seen as legitimate as the next guy.
Not knowing that the Bible can be understood by those whom God has his hand upon. They even think that having God's hand
upon you, is imagined and delusional, (and many times it is) so they continue to push their interpretation in hopes of gaining approval. Thus, false doctrines are established when popular and hold a following
FYI, the same why how to be reborn is for ALL.
There is only one way, the first message JESUS promoised to be preached in Jersulam.
Acts 2:38-39
King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Smeratias in Acts 8, Gentiles in Acts 10 followed that same message.
Believe, baptized in JESUS name, JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8 they were baptized first and received the Holy Ghost days maybe weeks later, Acts 10 JESUS filled them first and was baptized moments after.
They this, they that them this, its all i ever here from your chat.
There works are this there works are that, and all in the name of your faith being more credible.
Did you forget we are saved to do his works,
Maybe you've not noticed enough to know that all saved children of God are lions.
Maybe you cant accept that somehow or other you should not be the one that should lead the lions
Well because with lions it doesn't work like that, with lions you either respect them or you get cut of from the lord, and you can't rule a lion only the king of the lions can, and and his name is mighty counsellor mighty to save and mighty in the heart of whom he has set free, and theres no way in this world you could ever strip from me what I have been given.
You can try as you always do, and the other people your in chat with here focusing on the reason why people have no salvation, more than they should, on what you should be focusing on.