Well, if we on CC would agree regarding GW, then that should be taught in schools as well as in churches.
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Well, if we on CC would agree regarding GW, then that should be taught in schools as well as in churches.
We can only agee when we use HIS word and keep men's opinion out of it.
And then if we could rightly divide HIS word.
Sad, since it's not GODS word but your opinion.
As we know I have proven you to not share HIS word but your opinion which you think trumps JESUS.
Would you like me to share my questions for you again?
But we all have choices to make.
Habakkuk has one key sentence to highlight: Hab. 3:6. “God’s ways are eternal.”
An obvious question to ask at this point is, “What is God's way of saving those who have never heard of Jesus?” (which includes everyone living B.C. and millions of people who have lived A.D.)
If God loves the world (John 3:16) and wants everyone to be saved (2Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11), then He must provide an opportunity. God’s just judgment is illustrated by Jesus in the Parable of the Talents (Matt. 25:14-29), which indicates that God will judge souls on the basis of the truth (Word = Christ per John 1:1f.) they have received.
Again, a person is saved by faith in God’s truth as revealed and must receive the Holy Spirit even if he/she has not heard the teaching of the NT or even the OT. As Paul said in Rom. 1:17, “In the gospel a righteousness is revealed that is by faith from first to last”, and again in Rom. 8:9b, "If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ".
“then I saw all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. For though a man labors to discover it, yet he will not find it; moreover, though a wise man attempts to know it, he will not be able to find it.”
Ecclesiastes 8:17 NKJV
This is in regard to creation; though you spend a lifetime sifting through theories, you will never figure it out!
God created all things from nothing…not even from a singularity. He spoke it into existence. It’s beyond our comprehension!
Ecclesiastes 8:17 NKJV
This is in regard to creation; though you spend a lifetime sifting through theories, you will never figure it out!
God created all things from nothing…not even from a singularity. He spoke it into existence. It’s beyond our comprehension!
Yes, but I see no significant difference between the singularity and nothing, and I expect to see no contradiction between what God spoke as Scripture and as Creation.
Why do you insist on using Greek terminology with people? I don’t know Greek, and I’m betting that the majority of people on CC don’t know Greek. We don’t need to know another language to understand His word!
Maybe we should use this phrase, Mesih'in müjdesi, when speaking about the gospel of Christ?
“we all have choices to make.”
“And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.””
Genesis 3:22 NIV
“If you do what is right, will you not be accepted?
But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.””
Genesis 4:7 NIV
“Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—
whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death,
or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”
Romans 6:16 NIV
“This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live”
Deuteronomy 30:19
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.””
Acts 2:38-39 NIV
“For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.”
Romans 8:14-16 NIV
“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.”
Romans 8:12-13 NIV
“The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21
information creates a choice if we don’t reject the information but many do because it’s hard to hear if you’ve been taught “ that’s not true your saved because you are chosen by god there’s nothing you need to do nonone can repent and obey god it’s not possible he doesn’t tell you you need to do anything “ once we’re filled with one doctrine it’s hard to hear things that don’t agree with what we already believe .
even as consistent as the idea of choosing between good and evil actually is in scripture from beginning to end
Statements like this
“Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.”
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
and this revealed further by the apostle Paul in an epistle to the church
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11 NIV
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body,
whether good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 NIV
““Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Revelation 22:12-13 NIV
“Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, ( repent and believe the gospel ) which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.”
James 1:21-22
Ultimately a lot of what people learn and also teach ….. sadly tells people this is all wrong and comes up with alternative theories like “ your chosen or aren’t you have no choice god gives you no freedom or choice in it he either chooses and saves you or he doesn’t “
there’s a lot of warnings about bad doctrine in the epistles it can destroy and lead people astray to where they have no problem ignoring the plain themes god has always been telling mankind like choosing between good and evil
Re "I’m not too clear on this. Are you saying that “singularity” is a point value in time?": Don't worry, we are in good company.
As near as I can make out, scientists use the term to indicate that they have no idea how/why creation began, and mainly
speculation about what occurred for the first second afterward until what they consider more "norma" physics began operating.
I use Greek because the Bible does, but only two words (kerygma-preaching of the Gospel/GRFS, and didache-teaching that builds on that foundation) regularly. What words would you prefer I use for that? (I assume you joking regarding Mesih'in müjdesi,)
The Bible is written in koine Greek and Hebrew. However, it was also translated in other languages. My point was very few people know the original Bible languages so maybe we should use one of those other translated languages? I was being facetious, yes!
If we continue to read His word, the Spirit teaches us the mystery/ gospel. By you constantly using Greek terms, it just confuses people turning them away.
To my point, we don’t need to know the original languages…..
I think you mean that you turn away because of Greek, but I am confused, because I stated that I only use two Greek words, but you say I constantly use Greek terms, and I asked you to suggest better words for kerygma and didache, but you did not, so what should I do?
Are you talking about the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Speak plainly. Use words that are in the English Bible so everyone actually knows what you’re talking about; the Greek words that you use maybe in a footnote someplace, but honestly most of us don’t pay attention to the foreign words.
You seem quite able to learn Greek words to me, and it would probably do you good, but I bet most of us
don't know that "Gospel" refers to "how to be saved". Hence the need to use a word with that specific meaning,
so I hope you won't mind pretending that kerygma is an English word you just learned, but if you do, then I
think "creed" might be the best substitute term. Of course, that still leave us with needing to find a sub for "didache".
Well, I cared and tried to learn NT Greek during my seminary days and could read the Greek NT because I already knew
what the NT said in English, but I have forgotten most of it, and I tried to learn Spanish beginning in high school, but
although I can read it fairly well, I cannot converse very much, so I have concluded I do not have the memory for learning
languages. Thus, I empathize with your apathy, actually.
I am pondering amending our website to change "kerygma" to creed once I hit upon a good replacement term for didache.
Thanks for the feedback.
Amen I agree God communicates in everyone’s language. To constantly go back trying to re translate and re define things professional world renown translators have already done hundreds of times over is not necassary . Time is better spent learning what the Bible actually says in the same words and language we speak and understand trusting that God sent the gospel out from Jerusalem to be preached to all people and nations . To accomplish that it needed to be written and preached in many languages . English would eventually be very important in the world like it is today so there needed to be a translation in English because the time was coming when English would be a language many spoke and read like it is today .
the gospel couldn’t be preached to every creature unless it’s written in thier words and preached in thier language. God of course is able to accomplish that and so we have English bibles to study that are already translated by professionals and have been scrutinized and re translated for hundreds of years …..even if a person thinks they’ve cracked the code and can re translate all bibles “ mistakes “ anyone disagreeing with you will have thier own version of proof that they aren’t mistakes it then just becomes an argument about translating Ancient Greek or Hebrew lol it’s like a rabbit hole in my opinion
“Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? ……we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.”
Acts 2:6-8, 11 KJV
The Bible is not a “Creed”. I think that’s a bad word; Jesus did not bring a creed. Men created distortions of His word and denoted it as a creed.
The mystery tells us about how to attain salvation. The Bible is purely His word!
Some people pick up languages pretty easily, other people not so much. It helps to be immersed, surrounded by the language daily.
Another way of learning is to listen to movies in that language. I believe the way Americans learn languages in school is poor and inefficient.
The Bible is not a “Creed”. I think that’s a bad word; Jesus did not bring a creed. Men created distortions of His word and denoted it as diff creeds.
The mystery tells us about how to attain salvation. The Bible is purely His word!
Some people pick up languages pretty easily, other people not so much. It helps to be immersed, surrounded by the language daily.
Another way of learning is to listen to movies in that language. I believe the way Americans learn languages in school is poor and inefficient.
Also I ve found out that the Spanish they teach in our schools is European Spanish, not the Spanish from those countries nearest to us, including on the Duolingo APP. I was trying to speak to a Puerto Rican and they did not recognize the words. What a big waste of time! Lol