Key OT Teachings

[GWH]

Well now, that’s your opinion! FYI, I never answered your direct questions, but I just stated facts about what He said. And I NEVER stated that God is tricky!!! (?)
Don’t put words in my mouth that I never stated or even implied.

NO, I don’t believe in any theories of evolution; quacky and bizarre. It doesn’t align with Creationism.

Well, I don't believe God is tricky either, and I believe God said He is omnipresent and manifested by creation,
therefore true science will align with true Scripture, and right now scientific theory of a unique universe banging from
a singularity jibes amazingly well with the Genesis account of ex nihilo.

Re evolution and creationism: I believe both should be taught and may the best evidence win.

 

[TruthDefender]

Well, I don't believe God is tricky either, and I believe God said He is omnipresent and manifested by creation,
therefore true science will align with true Scripture, and right now scientific theory of a unique universe banging from
a singularity jibes amazingly well with the Genesis account of ex nihilo.

Re evolution and creationism: I believe both should be taught and may the best evidence win.

True science actually believes in Creationism, not evo. Shalom!

https://creation.com/archaeologist-confirms-creation-and-the-bible

 

[GWH]

True science actually believes in Creationism, not evo. Shalom!

https://creation.com/archaeologist-confirms-creation-and-the-bible

Maybe so, and it makes no difference to me as long as God caused it, but my point was that a debate should take place
in schools so that students would learn the evidence, because if God is not tricky, then the best explanation for the appearance of billions of years needs to be learned.

 

[TruthDefender]

Maybe so, and it makes no difference to me as long as God caused it, but my point was that a debate should take place
in schools so that students would learn the evidence, because if God is not tricky, then the best explanation for the appearance of billions of years needs to be learned.

God is NOT tricky! Who says this??

-"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3 NKJV

-"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,"
Romans 1:20 NKJV

-"All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." John 1:3 NKJV

-""You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created.""
Revelation 4:11 NKJV

 

[GWH]

God is NOT tricky! Who says this??

-"By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Hebrews 11:3 NKJV

-"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,"
Romans 1:20 NKJV

-"All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." John 1:3 NKJV

-""You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created.""
Revelation 4:11 NKJV

I know you agree that God is not tricky, and I agree God created the world, but it would be good for creationists to explain
why the universe appears to be billions of years old to school students.

 

[GWH]

Micah contains a few interesting verses.

Micah 4:3. “They will beat their swords into plowshares… nor will they train for war anymore.” In the NT physical war is not mentioned, not even condemned as a sin, and there are only a few references to spiritual war, including Revelation 19:11, where it is connected with justice, and Revelation 12:7, which refers to war in heaven between the angels of Michael and Satan.

Micah 5:2-5. This prophesies the birthplace of Messiah, “You, Bethlehem Ephrathah… out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from… ancient times… He will stand and shepherd his flock… his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth, and he will be their peace.”

Micah 6:8. The Lord requires us "to act justly, love mercy and walk humbly with Him". Jesus alluded to this Scripture in Matthew 9:13 and 23:23.

Nahum teaches that the Lord is good and will not leave the guilty unpunished (v.7 & 3), which is not new but is a truism worth
repeating because it gives meaning to life due to the fact that how we believe and behave makes a difference in our eternal destiny.

>>>TOP #277: Christians may have confidence or assurance of God’s forgiveness of their sins as they persevere in professing faith in Christ, do loving deeds and encourage each other in meetings. [Heb. 10:19-31, 12:1-3] However, if Christians deliberately continue to sin, then they will be punished in hell as enemies of God. This TOP combines #267 & 264.

 

[TruthDefender]

Well, I don't believe God is tricky either, and I believe God said He is omnipresent and manifested by creation,
therefore true science will align with true Scripture, and right now scientific theory of a unique universe banging from
a singularity jibes amazingly well with the Genesis account of ex nihilo.

Re evolution and creationism: I believe both should be taught and may the best evidence win.

I believe the Bible is the inherent word of God. It doesn’t teach evo, it tells about how He spoke it into existence. You either believe it, or you don’t!

 

[GWH]

I believe the Bible is the inherent word of God. It doesn’t teach evo, it tells about how He spoke it into existence. You either believe it, or you don’t!

Yes, you either believe the Bible was dictated by God (as Exo. 19:7-24:4 says re the teachings of Moses) or
you believe it contains His inspired word (as Paul said in 2Timothy 3:16-17).
You believe the OT version, and I believe the NT version.

You interpret the Genesis account of creation as indicating God took six literal days,
but the account can be understood as portraying creation parabolically as a week of days,
which 2Peter 3:8 indicates could be thousands (or billions) of years.

This is why it is good for unbiased geology teachers to present evidence supporting both views
and let the best understanding win. After all, it doesn't matter how long it took as long as God took it!

 

[Ouch]

Well, I don't believe God is tricky either, and I believe God said He is omnipresent and manifested by creation,
therefore true science will align with true Scripture, and right now scientific theory of a unique universe banging from
a singularity jibes amazingly well with the Genesis account of ex nihilo.

Re evolution and creationism: I believe both should be taught and may the best evidence win.

I think they should only show FACTS in our school systems.

Why do you like fiction being indoctrinated into our youth?

THE BEST EVIDENCE WIN???

THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION ONLY OPINIONS.

ARE MONKEYS STILL CHANGING INTO HUMANS?

IF NOT WHEN DID IT STOP?

When GOD created the earth, HIS word is clear it was not here at all.

Second point is when HE was creating it at every point HE said

"And the evening and the morning were the first day"

"And the evening and the morning were the second day"

ETC.

Later when HE was on this earth HE said how long days were.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Why do you claim something is true when you can't prove it?

Why will you not accept HIS word?

 

[GWH]

I think they should only show FACTS in our school systems.

Why do you like fiction being indoctrinated into our youth?
THE BEST EVIDENCE WIN???
THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE OF EVOLUTION ONLY OPINIONS.
ARE MONKEYS STILL CHANGING INTO HUMANS?
IF NOT WHEN DID IT STOP?

When GOD created the earth, HIS word is clear it was not here at all.
Second point is when HE was creating it at every point HE said
"And the evening and the morning were the first day"
"And the evening and the morning were the second day"
ETC.

Later when HE was on this earth HE said how long days were.
John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Why do you claim something is true when you can't prove it?
Why will you not accept HIS word?

Why do you manifest so little confidence that God's Word would win?

 

[Ouch]

Why do you manifest so little confidence that God's Word would win?

HIS word would only win with the humble.

When children are in front of adults they mostly listen to the adults.

It is sad promoting adults to lie to children.

Wonder what it will be like for them who lie to children when they stand in front of JESUS?

 

[GWH]

HIS word would only win with the humble.
When children are in front of adults they mostly listen to the adults.
It is sad promoting adults to lie to children.
Wonder what it will be like for them who lie to children when they stand in front of JESUS?

Well, winning with the humble is God's method of conversion.
The astute among us will note that I advocate presenting both sides, promoting only that the truth win.

You seem oblivious of the FACT that atheist teachers currently promote evolution in almost every secular school,
so you should be over-joyed with my suggestion!

 

[Ouch]

Well, winning with the humble is God's method of conversion.
The astute among us will note that I advocate presenting both sides, promoting only that the truth win.

You seem oblivious of the FACT that atheist teachers currently promote evolution in almost every secular school,
so you should be over-joyed with my suggestion!

Why would you suggest teaching lies and facts?

Why put the false thougth in childerns minds?

Who do you work for?

So far, I am not a fan of your so no over joying on my part.

We should ONLY share facts with anyone especially the youth.

 

[TruthDefender]

Yes, you either believe the Bible was dictated by God (as Exo. 19:7-24:4 says re the teachings of Moses) or
you believe it contains His inspired word (as Paul said in 2Timothy 3:16-17).
You believe the OT version, and I believe the NT version.

You interpret the Genesis account of creation as indicating God took six literal days,
but the account can be understood as portraying creation parabolically as a week of days,
which 2Peter 3:8 indicates could be thousands (or billions) of years.

This is why it is good for unbiased geology teachers to present evidence supporting both views
and let the best understanding win. After all, it doesn't matter how long it took as long as God took it!

Yes, I believe the literal days are true. I found another passage in the OT…
However, when He states days, I believe He means days for our sake/ understanding.

Also, He states He had rested on DAY 7. This is where the Sabbath came from. He didn’t rest 7000 yrs later; this makes no sense!

I believe He is indicating that there is no time in heaven like He has given us on this world.

“For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭90‬:‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Ceph]

Why would you suggest teaching lies and facts?

Why put the false thougth in childerns minds?

Who do you work for?

So far, I am not a fan of your so no over joying on my part.

We should ONLY share facts with anyone especially the youth.

Babes do need milk before thay can eat solid food. When I first received the Gift of Jesus, I would've thougt a lot of 'final truths' I learned about the world through gradual revelation were crazy.
Paul preached as greek to greeks, as Jew to Jews, and slave to slave, and as free to free; and then another watered. The only one who got the increase is God, and what's most important is that the truth of salvation through Jesus Christ was acknowledged to those who were preached to.

 

[GWH]

Why would you suggest teaching lies and facts?

Why put the false thougth in childerns minds?
Who do you work for?
So far, I am not a fan of your so no over joying on my part.
We should ONLY share facts with anyone especially the youth.

Well, creationism is not being taught in schools and won't be thanks to your "my way or the highway" attitude,
but it would be progress to present both sides and promote that the truth win.

 

[GWH]

Yes, I believe the literal days are true. I found another passage in the OT…
However, when He states days, I believe He means days for our sake/ understanding.
Also, He states He had rested on DAY 7. This is where the Sabbath came from. He didn’t rest 7000 yrs later; this makes no sense!
I believe He is indicating that there is no time in heaven like He has given us on this world.
“For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭90‬:‭4‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Well, IMO it is obvious that creating the world did not make God so tired that He needed rest,
and I also doubt God is tricky, so I am confident that correct conclusions derived via astrophysics
will not contradict the truth in Scripture.

 

[Ouch]

Well, creationism is not being taught in schools and won't be thanks to your "my way or the highway" attitude,
but it would be progress to present both sides and promote that the truth win.

Yea, I know JESUS is not allowed in schools today but Satan and his team are.

Not sure why you don't like my way or the highway attudite, I ONLY do facts.

I feel bad for all of those people who are spreading lies to those little minds.

 

[GWH]

Yea, I know JESUS is not allowed in schools today but Satan and his team are.
Not sure why you don't like my way or the highway attudite, I ONLY do facts.
I feel bad for all of those people who are spreading lies to those little minds.

Not sure why it isn't obvious that it would be better to allow Jesus and creationism in schools than continue to keep him and it out.
Are you not confident that correct conclusions derived via astrophysics and genetics will not contradict the truth in Scripture?

 

[Ouch]

Not sure why it isn't obvious that it would be better to allow Jesus and creationism in schools than continue to keep him and it out.
Are you not confident that correct conclusions derived via astrophysics and genetics will not contradict the truth in Scripture?

I do agree, it would be better.

I am also saying the fiction should not be in schools, especially when it goes against GOD'S word.