Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Doll]

Any Christians that happen on this site,even this thread,would be shocked.

The way many of you talk to one another ,while thinking you know how to understand ,share,and defend God's word, is educational.

 

[Magenta]

Any Christians that happen on this site,even this thread,would be shocked.

The way many of you talk to one another ,while thinking you know how to understand ,share,and defend God's word, is educational.

Eh? Like you jumping straight to repeatedly falsely accusing me and heaping more of your graceless shameful
aggression on me because I cautioned people against following a apostate atheist in matters of Scripture?

 

[Jordon]

Ah, well, many of them hate the Scriptures they disagree with, so their mental state is already far gone.

Hate them, reject them, rewrite them, contradict them, and outright deny them. Quite a sad state of affairs.

barking by the looks of it to, where now suppose to believe Adam was seventy when he willfully commited his first sin

Even better he was 70 years with God in the garden of eden with God and he never knew better

 

[cv5]

I see, so you've used maths to get to your answer when Adam sinned, and you say he was seventy years old, with not even a mention he could have been ?

So he was seventy years old in the garden of eden and he willfully did what he did. Ok buddy well you know you can use maths to workout when things happend, in bibble like timelines and you get some where close, but to say he was 70, that's to confident, and I would say by the many self righteous responses you've given already your ego of pride is your biggest problem, of not accepting your wrong.

Yeah sure I can understand your frustration in searching for answer by what appears to be many days of research and stuff, but because you think you've discovered something with a level of intelligence doesn't make it right.

So I guess your one those who can't stand to have there intelligence insulted by the looks of it.

I'm not going to be dogmatic about it. Just more of an educated guess....

2Pe 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Have you experienced any "educated guesses" lately........ ?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

God actively and existentially and supernaturally works in the lives of all his chosen people. Yes, Paul particular encounter with the Lord was most spectacular but that doesn't mean that God doesn't work in very similar ways in the lives of his called ones.

in agreement all who are born again are brought from death to life is most spectacular.

however, what we read about in Acts 9 concerning Paul is a one off. that does not happen all the time.

"one off" occurrences are written to get the reader to pay attention ... hey! what's going on here? think ... think ... think ... don't just skim over the words. what does God want us to know about this besides the fact that Paul was on his way to do some horrible thing and a light shined from heaven and a voice spoke to him?
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[Jordon]

I'm not going to be dogmatic about it. Just more of an educated guess....

2Pe 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Have you experienced any "educated guesses" lately........ ?

well you know posting magic mystery verses to prove your point it's just the latest head shrink from you

 

[Blain]

Like cv5 rewriting the very words of Jesus Christ himself; imagine the sheer arrogance and ignorance one
must have to do that, to claim Jesus said something other than what He actually did. Well, it does dovetail
with all his other denials of what Scripture explicitly articulates. It is a common theme among free willers
to contradict, deny, and rewrite what Scripture says, when they don't like what it actually says. Very sad indeed.

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8 v 34 Not, only those who choose to sin or only atheists. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Romans 3 v 23 - all have sinned...

Oooh I really like this panel you did a great job making this one.

 

[cv5]

I cautioned people against following a apostate atheist in matters of Scripture?

Who would that be pray tell? Chronister perhaps?
I know that you hate the man's guts.

I consider him one of the finest bible teachers of this present age IMO.
His analytical genius is second to none.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

There are many professing Christians out there who look at Christ's atoning work as merely a free get-out-of-jail card. Very many, if not all, will be in for a very rude awakening on the Day of the Lord!

the "lord lord" folks, yes ...
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[reneweddaybyday]

That's Imagination it a nice thought and all, but it doesn't say Adam was imputed with faith l.

God imputes righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 4:3-5 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

can you provide a verse in Scripture which states that faith is imputed?
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[GWH]

The lie was?

The same kind of lie Satan created for himself.

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Eat this fruit, and you will be wise as God! Genesis 3:4​

ADAM knew better. He was not deceived.
He was there with the woman and knew what the serpent had said.

Interestingly, the Hebrew says, Adam munched the fruit down quite aggressively.

Why?

Adam reacted to the pressure of the lie when he sinned, because he saw the Lord as not being able to keep the confusion away.
In essence, Adam in his mind possibly joined the enemy, so the enemy would stop bothering him. So, he could then become his own God after the fruit made him able to be.

It is the same kind of sin that many of us face. In frustration, knowing better. We go ahead and do a wrong thing in reaction and anger!

I do not claim to have the answer to all this.
What I said is what I have learned from study over the years.

I believe Adam hated the pressure of having an enemy, and wanted it all to end. He refused to obey the Lord's command in
the pressure, and ended up with having from then on, the constant pressure of needing to discern good from evil to keep on living.

How many of us wish it would just end and be over with?
Welcome to the world of Adam.

grace and peace!

Again, the point of the story about A&E is that they disbelieved God/were deceived by Satan, which was the original sin,
and GW teaches that each human has sinned ever since, therefore necessitating God's provision of the way to partake of the tree of life via faith in Messiah aka His predestined plan of salvation (Eph. 1:3-11, Rom. 3:21-5:1).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

ADAM knew better. He was not deceived.
He was there with the woman and knew what the serpent had said.

I do not believe Adam was with Eve when the serpent beguiled her.

Adam would not have stood silent. He would have spoken up.

My husband would never have stood silent as he watched me do something which was against God/God's Word ... I would never have stood silent as I watched him do something against God/God's Word.

satan approached Eve when she was by herself ... when Adam not there to stand against him and help her stand against him. Gen 3:1 says the serpent was more subtil ... satan was shrewd, crafty and he was able to deceive Eve through his subtilty. We are warned about the subtilty of satan (2 Cor 11:3).

I just don't see that Adam was with Eve when satan deceived her. Adam was with Eve when she gave him the fruit ... after Eve had already eaten.
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[Jordon]

God imputes righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 4:3-5 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

can you provide a verse in Scripture which states that faith is imputed?
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yep and the mystery is was Abraham chosen

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The will of the Jewish people people was to not to not do any work in a Saturday.

But Jesus had had to go against this will of his people to change that will for a reason, (which was ? )

would you agree he went against the will of his own people here ?

what Scripture are you referring to ?

and fyi ... Jesus never did anything that was against God's Word ... so, could it be that the people had placed a construct of their own making above the truth of God's Word concerning working on the sabbath? ... think about that for a moment.
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[GWH]

FWers largely hate God's sovereignty.

No, FWers appreciate God's omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnitemporality and omnilove.

 

[Jordon]

God imputes righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 4:3-5 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

can you provide a verse in Scripture which states that faith is imputed?
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well you know was Adam imputed with faith right after the fall ?

That was the question, we where not taking about Abraham's but a pricked conscience can make a person express faith and it's gets counted unto him, which I believe I told you last week

 

[Jordon]

what Scripture are you referring to ?

and fyi ... Jesus never did anything that was against God's Word ... so, could it be that the people had placed a construct of their own making above the truth of God's Word concerning working on the sabbath? ... think about that for a moment.
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Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath which went against the will of his people

Because his people saw that it was an offence to work on a Saturday

So did the lord go against there will

 

[GWH]

God imputes righteousness to those who believe.

Romans 4:3-5 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

can you provide a verse in Scripture which states that faith is imputed?
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counted means imputed

 

[Doll]

Eh? Like you jumping straight to repeatedly falsely accusing me and heaping more of your graceless shameful
aggression on me because I cautioned people against following a apostate atheist in matters of Scripture?

You turn your dark behavior and claim others are guilty of it?


You judged a highly educated man who knows more about scripture, particularly the New Testament,than you do.
Or me,or anyone here. You dismissed anything he may have to say because he identified now as an atheist,or agnostic in some matters. And you have no idea of why. I do. As does God.

You imply his change make his decades long tenure as a professor of New Testament studies,invalid.

You clearly demonstrated you know nothing about his teaching credibility itself because you judged him unworthy of respect or trust as a NT professor. And this due to your dismissing all that because of the A word.

And you demonstrated you know nothing about the Gospel.

Not in just how you behave. But also in the fact you actually don't know what it means to be in Christ,or Christ in you.

And this due to how you think Bart Ehrman, a "former" Evangelical Christian, now identifying as atheist and agnostic , though you don't know why, must then preclude Christ still knowing his name.

How you behave,flipping to the darkness when some topic or someones opinion isn't to your liking, speaks volumes.

I thank God for your nominal example.

 

[Jordon]

No, FWers appreciate God's omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnitemporality and omnilove.

Nice idea that about the free will but what of the unsaved ?

Do they do the same so they ?