And sweating great drops of blood in the garden, agonizing over the solution to the dilemma of how to resolve the dire problem of the now wretched state of his bride.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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You keep arguing from a ridiculous position.
And, we are supposed to get defensive, just because to appear to be attacking us?
Makes no sense.
You make no sense.
How so, deception? Nothing happened until after Adam ate.that would have been deception, so we know it didn't happen like that
Bro. Total conjecture. No such thing is recorded in Scripture.
no, that's definite:
Genesis 3:17
thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife
she's definitely not fine when she talks to him - -
1 Timothy 2:14
the woman being deceived was in the transgression
it was probably 4 days later when he ate, while she died in the same day she ate, and he waited, the whole time in between, keeping her from going to the tree of life
... because Passover is an 8 day festival and the second Adam did not lay down His life until the 4th day of it
conjecture yes, but not out of thin air.
We have gone over this already, bro, just a little while ago. Adam may not have said a word. You cannot call that a conversation.
No such thing is recorded in Scripture and you should at the very least be able to acknowledge that verifiable fact.
There is no definite conversation. You have imagined such and I call it what it is: conjecture.
You could write a whole play about it and would still all be conjecture.
Maybe it would be an award winning play.
Still conjecture.
More conjecture. That says nothing of her apparent condition to Adam when he hearkened unto the voice of his wife.
Lay it out for us.
Give us chapter and verses you say we deny, so we can see for ourselves what you speak of so often.
Often - but never provide proof with providing Scripture.
Let us learn what you know, and what we have been failing to realize.
All you have been doing is saying something is so while slapping us down, but we have no way to know why.
How are we self exalting in our theology?
Please!? Give us the chapter and verses.
You may have done so in the past, but we were not here then to see what you keep concealing from us now.
Please....
Conjecture? Nope. It's blatantly obvious.
And the Bible is written in such an intentionally peculiar fashion so as to make it thus. Blatantly obvious.
No doubt @posthuman is right. Clear as a bell to me as well.
She did not need to have a conversation with Adam.
He had been there and had heard the conversation she had with the serpent.
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye,
and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her
husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and
they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for
themselves
If Adam was not deceived by satan it means he willfully gave his soul to the devil.
The only sense that titus can make that Adam was not deceived, is that Adam was not deceived by satan,
Which makes it's more of sin because that means he witnessed his wife get deceived said nothing, stood there then watch his wife eat, then he willfully and knowingly disobeyed God not being deceived, he ate which means he willfully knowing caused the fall of eve and himself.
which is reflected by God saying you listened to her, which was reflected in his lifetime punishment, Adam was given a lifetime punishment until his time has come to give up the ghost on earth.
The only thing he may not have known is he was had also causing the fall of all mankind.
That as far as how much he could not have known.
So he was not deceived by satan, but he deceived himself in order to protect his wife then, as that's only reason he could have ate then, because if he was not deceived by satan then that means he knew he was going to die if he ate.
As satan said you will not surely die to eve , which is satan saying you will surely live.
So if Adam was not deceived then that means he witnessed this and let his wife die, and then willfully let himself die. Which means if Adam was not decueved he knew he was going to keep on living but die, which means he decueved himself then when he died
Then he was not deceived, but yet he then willfully calls his wife nothing and blames her.
Which God takes no notice of because he knew also he had not been deceived by satan and then listened to both of them.
Which makes it more of sin as he willfully listed to satan and Disobeyed God.
Also not being deceived means that adam knew the serpent was satan.
Which could have been known by the breath of life that lived in him.
So he was not deceived, but yet he made a worthless confession and there was no repentance what so ever as he was now owned by satan and so was his wife. As he was not deceived by Satan which means he willfully gave his soul to the devil
What God must have done was put a hedge of protection over both of them.
Being deceived means (willfully) believing a lie and the father of lies, murdering truth (John 8:42-44).
the breath of life in him in adam was not decieved to disobey God
The breath of life also knows satan
The breath of life is God.
God put a hedge of protection over Adam and eve after Adam did and sold his soul to the devil which is reflected in job as satan said you have a hedge of protection over Job.
He Adam was not decieved by Satan to which means he willfully sold his soul to the devil
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye,
and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her
husband, who was with her,
Day 3 by the day @reneweddaybyday
The will of the Jewish people people was to not to not do any work in a Saturday.
But Jesus had had to go against this will of his people to change that will for a reason, (which was ? )
would you agree he went against the will of his own people here ?
The will of the Jewish people people was to not to not do any work in a Saturday.
But Jesus had had to go against this will of his people to change that will for a reason, (which was ? )
would you agree he went against the will of his own people here ?
there's absolutely no point in saying what you would do or why was a tree of death in the Garden.Here is some precursory background lectures to help you "get the picture" buddy.
But there is much more attendant to truly grasp and master the topic.
Maybe a couple of hundreds of hours minimum to get up a head of steam.
Then thousands upon thousand of hours of lectures and study left to go......
Adam And Eve... What really happened?
1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think
Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?
Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear
Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought
Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?
Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?
Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?
Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this
There no mention that tree of knowledge caused there death.
And theres no point in asking me what I would of done, as it was a spiritual matter that only could have been read at the time. But it can be read quite clearly through scripture, and the whole Bible
The bible is clear on the matter that all of mankinds nature is held to ransome because of the fall
Which means the tree of knowledge didn't cause there death, the act of selling there soul, nature to the devil did will willfully disobeying God and willfully accepting satans death offering. (Which is why God has to go against our very limited will) , and as much as you don't like to hear it' m, this is what happens as we have a spiritual warfare battle we are engaged in, where satan came to steal the souls of the innocence
Jesus came to be the saviour of our souls to win our freedom back, by conquering death and defeating sin in the flesh, which means he sacrificed his life to pay the debt that Satan held mankinds nature ransome by, as Satan held that ransome by Having Adam sell his all of mankinds nature to the devil.
This is the whole foundational belief of Christianity that has been in existence since the gospel was preached, the battle to win souls back for all mankind.
As to why Jesus came, its also the reason why Christian church father for centuries have preached the gospel, and you just want to tell us, your not going to like this but what your believing is false
On the bases that Adam was a hero for eating the fruit and protecting his wife, well it's very admiral of you to protect a woman by sacrificing your soul, but unfortunately it's a very stupid one
Did everyone do their homework lol?
The English translation is woefully inadequate here, as it commonly is when dealing with the Hebrew.
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