Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[cv5]

no, they did not do their homework, which means we have to spend class time doing it for them.

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Definition number 2 of the preposition = "specifically, equally with"

meaning now he also has some of the fruit in possession just like she has fruit in possession.
having fruit in possession is the immediate clause the preposition is joined to, not "speaking to the Serpent"

there is no indication in the text Adam was present when she was deceived. every contextual indication is that he was not.

Agree....

Lexical Summary

im: With, together with, among​

Original Word: עִם
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: `im
Pronunciation: eem
Phonetic Spelling: (eem)
KJV: accompanying, against, and, as (X long as), before, beside, by (reason of), for all, from (among, between), in, like, more than, of, (un-)to, with(-al)
NASB: against, among, along, near, together, before, toward
Word Origin: [from H6004 (עָמַם - match)]

1. adverb or preposition, with (i.e. in conjunction with), in varied applications
2. specifically, equally with
3. often with prepositional prefix (and then usually unrepresented in English)

 

[Magenta]

that makes God a liar when He said, in the day you eat, dying you shall die.

That is in fact the lie that Satan told. Dude. Are you saying you believe I am calling God a liar?

 

[Jordon]

good for you buddy

Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Death ebtere

that makes God a liar when He said, in the day you eat, dying you shall die.

you also argue that the act of disobedience results in death - - why is there a time lag? is there a disobedience particle that travels slower than light, so that it takes quite a while for the act of sinning to catch up with a person's standing with God?

but Christ says even thinking of sinning in our heart is equal to doing it with our hands, so the effect is at least faster than the time it takes between a neuron firing and a nerve signal being sent to your finger - - all of which is much quicker than she can say a word, and she says at least one word before he makes a decision to take the fruit and to eat it.

Romans 5


Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Death entered Adam through sin
Satans ransom.

Death caused the fall of mankinds nature and held mankinds nature to ransom


Adam was not decieved God gave him a lifetime sentence of punishment, he was lucky to have only received the type of sentence he did

 

[Magenta]

you also argue that the act of disobedience results in death - - why is there a time lag? is there a disobedience particle that travels slower than light, so that it takes quite a while for the act of sinning to catch up with a person's standing with God?

but Christ says even thinking of sinning in our heart is equal to doing it with our hands, so the effect is at least faster than the time it takes between a neuron firing and a nerve signal being sent to your finger - - all of which is much quicker than she can say a word, and she says at least one word before he makes a decision to take the fruit and to eat it.

Disobedience and death... well, God said, in dying you shall die. Adam lived 930 years.
Most of them, the vast majority, were outside the garden which means, after sinning.

 

[cv5]

'who was' isn't in the text.
it says she gave also to her husband with her.

the 'with her' refers to the state of having the fruit, not to his having been present while she was being deceived, and context implies he could not have been, else he would have been first in sin by doing nothing to prevent her from being deceived and from reaching out and taking the fruit.

God does not tell him, 'because you let this happen' - - He tells him, because he listened to her voice.

On target......regards.

 

[Magenta]

the 'with her' refers to the state of having the fruit, not to his having been present while she was
being deceived, and context implies he could not have been, else he would have been first in sin
by doing nothing to prevent her from being deceived and from reaching out and taking the fruit.

Conjecture.

 

[Jordon]

The good news is the lord has a plan for everyone

 

[Magenta]

The good news is the lord has a plan for everyone

FWers largely hate God's sovereignty.

 

[Jordon]

On target......regards.

Satan holds the power of death for all the fallen ( his ransom that entered Adam through Adam' which Adam willfully knowingly accepted it from Satan, as he was not decieved


Satans ransom of death to all the fallen look ..


Hebrews 2:14-15

New International Version



14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

 

[Jordon]

FWers largely hate God's sovereignty.

They label it as well

 

[Magenta]

Hebrews 2:14-15 New International Version
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Hebrews 2 v 14-16 Since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity so that by His death He might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham.

 

[cv5]

FWers largely hate God's sovereignty.

On the contrary, we wholly depend upon it with our very lives being at stake.

 

[Jordon]

Hebrews 2 v 14-16 Since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity so that by His death He might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham.

Yep I don't like this scripture but' its true.

I could have posted it weeks ago but you know I won't bother posting much scripture to people who will reject it because I don't want the free willers to reject it.

So its best just to talk to there natural state to prevent them from going bonkers

 

[Magenta]

Yep I don't like this scripture but' its true.

I could have posted it weeks ago but you know I won't bother posting much scripture to people who will reject it because I don't want the free willers to reject it.

So its best just to talk to there natural state to prevent them from going bonkers

Ah, well, many of them hate the Scriptures they disagree with, so their mental state is already far gone.

Hate them, reject them, rewrite them, contradict them, and outright deny them. Quite a sad state of affairs.

 

[cv5]

Disobedience and death... well, God said, in dying you shall die. Adam lived 930 years.

Which likely means that the fall occurred when Adam was......70 years old.

Tragically, most Christians today fail in their mandate to "read the Bible".
Which of course means "seeing the intentional repeating Divine Watermark patterns", "seeing the Christology" "seeing the salvation theme" all of which validate its authenticity.

This you lack.
This ignorance a Laodicean end time phenomenon if you ask me.

 

[Magenta]

Like cv5 rewriting the very words of Jesus Christ himself; imagine the sheer arrogance and ignorance one
must have to do that, to claim Jesus said something other than what He actually did. Well, it does dovetail
with all his other denials of what Scripture explicitly articulates. It is a common theme among free willers
to contradict, deny, and rewrite what Scripture says, when they don't like what it actually says. Very sad indeed.

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8 v 34 Not, only those who choose to sin or only atheists. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Romans 3 v 23 - all have sinned...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ah, well, many of them hate the Scriptures they disagree with, so their mental state is already far gone.

Hate them, reject them, rewrite them, contradict them, and outright deny them. Quite a sad state of affairs.

Yep I like how you accept scripture even when you don’t want to hear it

“Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-11‬ ‭NIV‬‬

i like when people who actually do accept scripture explain how others just won’t accept them

 

[cv5]

Ah, well, many of them hate the Scriptures they disagree with, so their mental state is already far gone.

Hate them, reject them, rewrite them, contradict them, and outright deny them. Quite a sad state of affairs.

Well, "we" did do the Hebrew grammar/word studies for Genesis 3:6 though.
And "we" do truly understand those critical passages.

Whereas you totally rejected ANY kind of in-depth serious study work. Even when it is offered on a silver platter with garnish.

So therefore, "we" stand absolved of any blame and stand commended for our care, concern and due diligence.

 

[cv5]

Like cv5 rewriting the very words of Jesus Christ himself; imagine the sheer arrogance and ignorance one
must have to do that, to claim Jesus said something other than what He actually did. Well, it does dovetail
with all his other denials of what Scripture explicitly articulates. It is a common theme among free willers
to contradict, deny, and rewrite what Scripture says, even when they know what it says. Very sad indeed.

Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." John 8 v 34 Not, only those who choose to sin or only atheists. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Romans 3 v 23 - all have sinned...

Thar she blows......

 

[Jordon]

Which likely means that the fall occurred when Adam was......70 years old.

Tragically, most Christians today fail in their mandate to "read the Bible".
Which of course means "seeing the intentional repeating Divine Watermark patterns", "seeing the Christology" "seeing the salvation theme" all of which validate its authenticity.

This you lack.
This ignorance a Laodicean end time phenomenon if you ask me.

I see, so you've used maths to get to your answer when Adam sinned, and you say he was seventy years old, with not even a mention he could have been ?

So he was seventy years old in the garden of eden and he willfully did what he did. Ok buddy well you know you can use maths to workout when things happend, in bibble like timelines and you get some where close, but to say he was 70, that's to confident, and I would say by the many self righteous responses you've given already your ego of pride is your biggest problem, of not accepting your wrong.

Yeah sure I can understand your frustration in searching for answer by what appears to be many days of research and stuff, but because you think you've discovered something with a level of intelligence doesn't make it right.

So I guess your one those who can't stand to have there intelligence insulted by the looks of it.