I understand the Greek which outranks your personal beliefs.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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4 He chose us in the Messiah before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before Him in love.
5 He predestined us for adoption as sons through Messiah Yeshua
5 He predestined us for adoption as sons through Messiah Yeshua
The "us" included in Ephesians are the people Paul would have understood to fit the descriptions he gave in his letter, namely those described in [Deut 7:6][1 Chr 16:13-15] & [Rom 9:4] -- neither more nor less.
Ancient Hebrew Israelites
Romans 9:
4 who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Ancient Hebrew Israelites
Romans 9:
4 who are Israelites; whose is the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Yeah, like Adam....not all died because of his trespass. ( it was just for the "many.")
Romans 5:15
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
He predestined us by decreeing that we be born and living on earth at the time of the Church age.
In that way, foreknowing we would believe, He makes sure we will be the Bride of Christ.
Throughout history there are other dispensations of believers who are not of the Church.
God predetermined when they should be born, according to His choice of what their eternal reward should be.
Triggered because.... They get beat over the head by a demon if they can not maintain the illusion.
Predestination does not go against God's character. If He offers salvation to those he knew would reject it, then it was done to serve as a stumbling block or snare, to give them no excuse. His word always goes out to save some and at the same time condemn others. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was sent.
Same with transgenders that get easily triggered.
Be reasonable and rational with them?
They MUST maintain their delusion or suffer in the hands of their slave master.
Oh, like the hugely popular Augustinian view of hell to which you likely subscribe?
"He always offers salvation in every area of the bible even to those he knew would reject it so what is the point of him doing that?"
Undoubtedly true.
In fact He offered JUDAS a completely legitimate opportunity to reconcile by giving him the SOP of fellowship and honor. Judas turned Him down in a defiant act of his own free will.
Ask yourself: how many others do the same?
[Jhn 13:26-27, 30 KJV]
26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.
27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. ...
30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
Wrong. The offer is ALWAYS legitimate.
It BECOMES a matter of certain judgement ONLY if you reject.
[Luk 20:17-18 KJV] 17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?
18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken (repentance); but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder (judgement).
concerning katallássō ... yes, you are in unbelief.
I did not say that ... and, no, my statement was not intended to infer you were an unbeliever.Cameron143 said:
A week or so ago I submitted a post wherein I mentioned that I don't care if someone believes God gives the new heart to the natural man when he or she believes ... or whether God gives the new heart to the natural man so that he or she is enabled to believe and thereafter is born again ... all I care about is the baby ... the new birth within ...
I also mentioned in a separate post that I sometimes ask folks who post here if Jesus Christ is Lord in their life ... and some won't even acknowledge that He is Lord in their life. Isn't the Lord Jesus Christ the very life of the born again believer ? ... outside of Him there is no life? ... and we can't acknowledge that He is Lord ??? ... so bizarre ...
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1 Corinthians 15:22... all died in Adam. All being the entirety of mankind.
1 Corinthians 15:22...so in Christ, all will be made alive. All being those in Christ.
This verse tells us that all died in Adam, not just many. The many in the 3 verses I gave don't mean all. They mean some. I recognize that this plays havoc with your belief that God is equal opportunity and must make salvation available to all, but to simply ignore what those verses teach is unwise.
As this thread is over 300 pages long, I haven't read through every post again, but I cannot remember any Calvinist claiming that you have to be a Calvinist to be saved, or that non-Calvinists are not saved. If they are doing so, or if the same thing happens the other way round, that cannot be right.