All the world's religions (save for biblical Christianity) are satanic at its core. Satan could care less that anyone believe in him or not; but he cares very much that people don't believe in Christ. Satan is very content to offer the whole world a smorgasbord of religions because all their adherents will be joining him in the Lake of Much Heat.
Understanding God’s election
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There you go! The difference between the two lumps of clay that God created are the two lumps of clay. OR...maybe the lump God created for noble purposes was infused with the light of life (which would make them smarter), while the other lump created for common/shameful/dishonorable purposes were left in the darkness which rendered them unwise and foolish. How's that idea grab ya?
I am wondering also if by saying this you are somehow intimating that the natural man, before being fully indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God, made alive in Christ, with heart circumcised, if you somehow think or believe the Holy Spirit partially inhabits the man of flesh/the natural man? Really, I am wondering how to interpret what you have said here, and how it aligns with what is said in Scripture. Any elucidation you can bring to this subject would be appreciated, and please also if you can, respond to my other posts in reply to this, at least this one <=link. Thank you!
2 Thessalonians 2:10b-14a ~ Those who are perishing refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness. But we always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth, to which He called you through our gospel.
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28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
Yes @Rufus , Jacob was a prevail-er, and concordantly, we are overcomers.
It's easy to get the picture here. I sure hope that you come to terms with the obvious truth of the matter eventually.....
Yes @Rufus , Jacob was a prevail-er, and concordantly, we are overcomers.
It's easy to get the picture here. I sure hope that you come to terms with the obvious truth of the matter eventually.....
Meanwhile, "we are overcomers' because Christ overcame the world FIRST! How's that for a novel idea?
PaulThomson said:
You are wrong. The first resurrection, which ushers in the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ and His saints on this present earth, has to do with God's true Israel being vomited out by the planet and returning to the land that had in the previous 6000 years bereaved the nations
Ez. 36:11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations:
14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God.
15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord God.
This is about the 1000 year reign occupation of the land by the resurrected saints. Verse 12 says people will stop dying in the land of Israel. This did not happen when the Jews returned from Babylon. This will happen during the 1000 year reign." Everything said in Ez. 36 is true of the Resurrected Israel during the 1000 year reign. Some aspects of the return from Babylon might appear to have partially fulfilled Ez. 36, but the return from Babylon does not fufill all the things prophesied. You are selecting the things that were fulfilled, and are skipping over the parts that do not, pretending that the entire chapter perfectly fits and is certainly about the return from the Babylonian captivity.
Based on your false claim that Ez. 36 is certainly about the return from Babylon, you then staple Ez. 37:1-14 to chapter 36, as if it is a continuation of that prophecy and is also not about the resurrection. It is a different prophesy, which clarifies to the Jews how chapter36 will be brought about. How will the land ofIsrael be repopulated with immortal exiles? By the Holy Spirit raising them out of the ground at the resurrection and transporting them to the land of Israel as delimited in Ez. 47:13-23.
I cited Ezekiel 36:12. You are arguing against Ezekiel 37:12 saying what I said Ezekiel 36:12 says.
Explain how this came to pass when the exiles returned from Babylon, or whenever you claim this chapter, EZEKIEL CHAPTER 36, is about.
You are wrong. The first resurrection, which ushers in the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ and His saints on this present earth, has to do with God's true Israel being vomited out by the planet and returning to the land that had in the previous 6000 years bereaved the nations
Ez. 36:11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.
13 Thus saith the Lord God; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations:
14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord God.
15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord God.
This is about the 1000 year reign occupation of the land by the resurrected saints. Verse 12 says people will stop dying in the land of Israel. This did not happen when the Jews returned from Babylon. This will happen during the 1000 year reign." Everything said in Ez. 36 is true of the Resurrected Israel during the 1000 year reign. Some aspects of the return from Babylon might appear to have partially fulfilled Ez. 36, but the return from Babylon does not fufill all the things prophesied. You are selecting the things that were fulfilled, and are skipping over the parts that do not, pretending that the entire chapter perfectly fits and is certainly about the return from the Babylonian captivity.
Based on your false claim that Ez. 36 is certainly about the return from Babylon, you then staple Ez. 37:1-14 to chapter 36, as if it is a continuation of that prophecy and is also not about the resurrection. It is a different prophesy, which clarifies to the Jews how chapter36 will be brought about. How will the land ofIsrael be repopulated with immortal exiles? By the Holy Spirit raising them out of the ground at the resurrection and transporting them to the land of Israel as delimited in Ez. 47:13-23.
I cited Ezekiel 36:12. You are arguing against Ezekiel 37:12 saying what I said Ezekiel 36:12 says.
Explain how this came to pass when the exiles returned from Babylon, or whenever you claim this chapter, EZEKIEL CHAPTER 36, is about.
Hardly. You understood. How else would I be confident that you could fish. The main reason I responded to your post was that you stated you found the book of Revelation to be difficult to understand. I hear this comment often. One that I have voiced before, until someone tIaught me how it is to be understood. That's what I was passing on to you.
I would venture that if we all took an IQ test, most people here would score higher than I would. That's why I ask lots of questions. But people on forums have become very jaded, and believe there is some devious ulterior motive in asking questions.
You have made it known that you believe the exchange of ideas should promote unity, but your manner of discourse often has the opposite effect. You are not alone as this is true of us all. But if you are going to make it a point of emphasis, alot of humility can't hurt.
I would venture that if we all took an IQ test, most people here would score higher than I would. That's why I ask lots of questions. But people on forums have become very jaded, and believe there is some devious ulterior motive in asking questions.
You have made it known that you believe the exchange of ideas should promote unity, but your manner of discourse often has the opposite effect. You are not alone as this is true of us all. But if you are going to make it a point of emphasis, alot of humility can't hurt.