For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
- Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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- Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
The idea that Abraham was made righteous by the faith of Jesus is not explicitly stated in the Bible.
However, in Christian theology, it is believed that righteousness comes by faith in the atonement made possible through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This concept is based on the understanding that God's righteousness is imputed to believers through their faith in Christ, rather than being based on their own works. The New Testament, particularly in the writings of Paul, emphasizes the importance of faith in Christ for being considered righteous before God (Romans 4:5, Romans 10:3–13). T
The concept of righteousness by faith is central to Christian doctrine and is based on the belief that true righteousness is not achievable through human efforts alone, but is made possible through faith in Jesus Christ and His atoning work. This understanding is rooted in the New Testament and has been a topic of theological discussion throughout Christian history.
J.
Righteousness is not by faith IN Jesus Christ, it is imputed from the faith OF Jesus Christ.
I believe that it is stated, but to gain a correct understanding we must compare the spiritual with the spiritual as I have tired to reflect below. Please read each carefully, because each provides a piece of the doctrine even though it might not immediately seem so. I can explain further after you read them if you'd like.
[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[Rom 4:9 KJV]
9 [Cometh] this blessedness then upon the circumcision [only], or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
[Rom 4:13 KJV]
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
[Rom 1:17 KJV]
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
[Rom 3:22 KJV]
22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
[Rom 5:17 KJV]
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[1Co 1:30 KJV]
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Early in the morning in South Africa-02.05 AM-I don't want to make mistakes but will come back to you-God willing.
J.
The Bible does not teach that righteousness is obtained by faith in the faith of Jesus Christ. Instead, it emphasizes that righteousness is imputed from the faith of Jesus Christ. This means that God attributes the righteousness of Christ to believers who have faith in Christ, not because of their own righteous acts but because they are united with Christ through faith
Key verses supporting this view include:
Romans 3:22: "This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe."
2 Corinthians 5:21: "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
1 Corinthians 1:30: "Because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption."
These verses indicate that righteousness is attributed to believers because they are in Christ, not because of their own actions or faithfulness. Their faith connects them to Christ, whose righteousness becomes theirs. Thus, while faith plays a crucial role in obtaining righteousness, it is not the source of the righteousness itself. The righteousness comes from Christ, and it is credited to believers through faith
J.
Because of believing Jesus correctly is why the elect are saved by grace through faith.
Disagree. It is by the faith OF Christ that we believe IN Christ, and not the reverse, as Gal 2:16 clearly informs us of -
that the receiving of the faith OF Christ is a prerequisite to having true faith IN Christ.
We cannot receive the faith OF Christ until saved, which is when it is imputed, and so it would be impossible for us, on our own,
to produce a true faith IN Christ. Until then, we are all of the "natural man" and unable to correctly comprehend Christ and His salvation in order to produce faith or to believe:
[1Co 2:14 KJV]
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
The question implies that only those who are interpreting Jesus' teachings correctly are accepting Him. While it is essential to understand and apply Jesus' teachings, the Bible does not explicitly state that one must interpret Jesus' teachings perfectly to be accepted by Him.
Instead, the Bible focuses on the importance of believing in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Son of God, recognizing His death and resurrection as sufficient payment for our sins, and placing our trust in Him for salvation
. This type of faith is described as a personal relationship with Jesus, characterized by obedience to His commands and a desire to grow in understanding of His teachings
However, the Bible does warn against false teachers and encourages Christians to test all teachings against the standard of Scripture
. Ultimately, the goal is not to achieve perfection in understanding but to seek a deeper relationship with Jesus and to strive towards holiness and obedience to His commands.
J.
this is correct… without a full understanding of the old testamemt, especially the prophets (of whom he declared his will) you cannot have a grasp on new testament doctrine.. my marriage of 14 years dissolved cuz my wife held close to doctrines of universalism from cherry picked new testament verses, all in disagreement with the prophets and making yahweh a liar
there is hope yet for a remnant that read the scripture genesis to revelation, in context, with proper greek and hebrew translations,
The idea that it is by the faith of Christ that we believe in Christ is a theological interpretation that is based on certain passages in the New Testament. This interpretation emphasizes that the faith that saves us is not our own, but rather it is the faith of Jesus Christ that is imputed to us through our union with Him.
The concept of the faith of Christ is based on passages such as Galatians 2:16, which states, "We know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." This verse emphasizes that our justification comes through faith in Jesus Christ, not through our own works.
Other verses that support the idea of the faith of Christ include Galatians 3:22, which states that the promise of salvation is given to those who have faith in Jesus Christ, and Philippians 3:9, which states that righteousness comes through faith in Christ, "the righteousness from God that depends on faith."
Overall, the concept of the faith of Christ emphasizes that our salvation is not based on our own works or efforts, but rather it is a gift of God that is received through faith in Jesus Christ. While this interpretation is a matter of theological debate, it is consistent with the broader themes of the New Testament and emphasizes the importance of faith in Christ for salvation.
Like I have explained-tired and a bit worn down-but will come back to you and I hope you have a basic understanding in Greek and Hebrew-Later.
Johann.
How does one believe in Jesus correctly? Please explain.
This passage, found in 1 Corinthians 2:14, addresses the inability of the "natural man" to comprehend the things of the Spirit of God. To understand this verse exegetically, we must consider its context within the broader passage and the original Greek language.
The term "natural man" refers to an individual who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is therefore unable to understand spiritual truths. The verse emphasizes that such a person cannot accept or comprehend the things of God's Spirit because they are perceived as foolishness. This is due to the fact that spiritual truths can only be discerned through the Holy Spirit.
From an exegetical perspective, it is important to note that the Greek word used for "natural" is "psuchikos," which pertains to the natural, unregenerate state of humanity, characterized by a focus on physical and earthly matters rather than spiritual ones. The term "spiritually discerned" comes from the Greek word "anakrinó," which conveys the idea of examining or judging something in a spiritual manner.
In this verse, the apostle Paul is highlighting the contrast between those who are led by their natural inclinations and those who are guided by the Spirit of God. The natural man, lacking spiritual insight, cannot fully grasp or appreciate the wisdom and truth that comes from God. This underscores the necessity of the Holy Spirit's illumination for understanding and embracing spiritual realities.
In summary, 1 Corinthians 2:14 emphasizes that individuals who are not spiritually attuned, or indwelt by the Holy Spirit, will struggle to comprehend and accept the truths of God. It underscores the vital role of spiritual discernment in perceiving and embracing divine wisdom and knowledge.
And now I have to go.
Shalom
J.
If they believe, then they are saved.
You’re trying to make something that has no bearing on the conversation. There is no such thing as unelect.
They are condemned because they did not believe
as apposed to those who believed to eternal life.
thats the only thing that seperates the lost from th found
whats quite obvious is Jesus said worl. You say elect. So I should listen to jesus and not you
Sorry bud
The new covenant has always been to all nations. It was promised in Gen 12 In you challenge all nations be blessed
The promise given to a nation has never been spiritual. And was never given to any gentile.