The Security Of The Believer
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Vs 15 clears this up in my opinion.
If we are in fellowship with the Father, we are in an intimate/friendship/personal relationship with the Father. The moment we grieve or quench the Spirit we are no longer in that intimate, personal relationship. We are servants, no longer knowing the will of the Father.
1 John 1:9 and we are back in the divine sphere of personal fellowship and knowing His will again.
I was just in a back and forth argument with a gentleman. He frustrates me. I frustrate him. Half the day I stewed in my head about this guy.......was I Gods friend thinking that way? No. But I'm still a son.........and I did 1 john 1:9 after I throat punched him! Just kidding!
If we are in fellowship with the Father, we are in an intimate/friendship/personal relationship with the Father. The moment we grieve or quench the Spirit we are no longer in that intimate, personal relationship. We are servants, no longer knowing the will of the Father.
1 John 1:9 and we are back in the divine sphere of personal fellowship and knowing His will again.
I was just in a back and forth argument with a gentleman. He frustrates me. I frustrate him. Half the day I stewed in my head about this guy.......was I Gods friend thinking that way? No. But I'm still a son.........and I did 1 john 1:9 after I throat punched him! Just kidding!
I said can I ask someone if they mind if I ask them a sarcastic question.
This thought came back to me
Ask and it shall be given.
Since then I've been blessed with a witty sense of humour, well hopefully
It's the Wimbledon wombles in me lol
I can't help it
Any ways I've asked quite a few people in life, if they mind if I I ask them a sarcastic question and one person said to me knowing I believe in God
Well he said God did make us in his image 😊
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Now although Paul can speak of people’s initial response of choosing to believe the gospel as an act of obedience in which he describes it as "obeyed the gospel" (Romans 10:16; 1:16) the purpose of Paul’s apostleship was not merely to bring people to conversion but also to bring about transformed lives that were obedient to God.
Notice that Paul said they have (already) received grace and apostleship FOR/UNTO obedience to the faith in Romans 1:5. Just as in Ephesians 2:10, Paul said that we are created in Christ Jesus FOR/UNTO good works. Paul did not say that they did not receive grace and apostleship until they produced obedience afterwards. Obedience that is produced "out of" faith is works and we are saved through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
In regard to Romans 6:16, works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow saving faith in Christ" are "unto righteousness," as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so-called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22-23)
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.
Those who are born of God are characterized by obedience and not disobedience. Ephesians 2:2 - And you He made alive, who were (past tense) dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked (past tense) according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience. (unbelievers) "The sons of disobedience" who practice such sins (lifestyle or bent of life) is descriptive of the unrighteous and not the righteous. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21)
I often hear works-salvationists (particularly Roman Catholics) cite John 3:36 in the NASB and "stress" the word "obey" to imply that we are saved "by" obedience/works. In regard to "does not obey the Son" in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which "follow" believing in the Son but obey by choosing to believe in the Son.
If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the HCSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." To refuse to believe in the Son is to disobey, rebel, be disloyal and refuse conformity. Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." *In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son. Your misinterpretation of these passages of scripture above culminates in salvation by works at the back door.
Notice that Paul said they have (already) received grace and apostleship FOR/UNTO obedience to the faith in Romans 1:5. Just as in Ephesians 2:10, Paul said that we are created in Christ Jesus FOR/UNTO good works. Paul did not say that they did not receive grace and apostleship until they produced obedience afterwards. Obedience that is produced "out of" faith is works and we are saved through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
In regard to Romans 6:16, works-salvationists typically ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which "follow saving faith in Christ" are "unto righteousness," as if we are saved by works. Unbelievers are not slaves of obedience unto righteousness no matter how much so-called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to obtain salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22-23)
There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."
Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not his works) is accounted for righteousness.
Those who are born of God are characterized by obedience and not disobedience. Ephesians 2:2 - And you He made alive, who were (past tense) dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked (past tense) according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience. (unbelievers) "The sons of disobedience" who practice such sins (lifestyle or bent of life) is descriptive of the unrighteous and not the righteous. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21)
I often hear works-salvationists (particularly Roman Catholics) cite John 3:36 in the NASB and "stress" the word "obey" to imply that we are saved "by" obedience/works. In regard to "does not obey the Son" in the New American Standard translation of the Bible, this does not mean that receiving eternal life is received based on the merits of our obedience/works which "follow" believing in the Son but obey by choosing to believe in the Son.
If John wanted to make obedience the central theme in salvation here, he would have said: "He who believes and obeys the Son has eternal life," but that is not what John said. To obey the Son here is to choose to believe in the Son.
The King James Version renders this same verse as: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that "believeth not the Son" shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. The NIV says "rejects the Son" and the HCSB says, "refuses to believe in the Son." To refuse to believe in the Son is to disobey, rebel, be disloyal and refuse conformity. Strong’s definition of apeitheo is "to disbelieve willfully and perversely." *In the context of 3:36, to "not obey the Son" means to reject the Son by refusing to believe in the Son. Your misinterpretation of these passages of scripture above culminates in salvation by works at the back door.
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Amen! In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)
What about those who are not His sheep? But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (John 10:26)
What about those who are not His sheep? But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. (John 10:26)
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Absent from this diagram are the plant suckers and there is a process employed by vineyard keeper called 'suckering the vines.' Bing offers an explanation of this process as "desuckering" which is applied to "prevent them from becoming part of the plant structure and encouraging the plant to grow down toward the dirt."
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Absent from this diagram are the plant suckers and there is a process employed by vineyard keeper called 'suckering the vines.' Bing offers an explanation of this process as "desuckering" which is applied to "prevent them from becoming part of the plant structure and encouraging the plant to grow down toward the dirt."
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Yeah most everyone is really annoyed with you right now, but truth is never popular. I'm praying that you remain steadfast despite the opposition!
Also know that all your effort was not for nothing. The word you've put forth from the Bible will not return void - I've already learned a lot from your posts! Others will be built up by them too when they do a search and your posts come up. They will reach the right people that love God and His truth.
May God bless you and your family!
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Also know that all your effort was not for nothing. The word you've put forth from the Bible will not return void - I've already learned a lot from your posts! Others will be built up by them too when they do a search and your posts come up. They will reach the right people that love God and His truth.
May God bless you and your family!
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Beautiful verse.
May the richness of our Savior bless you more than you can imagine.
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Amen and Merry Christmas brother! In James 2:14, we read of one who SAYS/CLAIMS he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.
So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!
That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.
So, James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!
That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to trust in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.
James 2:24 - You see that a man (believer) is justified by works and not by faith alone [that is, by acts of obedience a born-again believer reveals his faith]. (AMP)
James 2:24 - So, you see that a person is shown to be righteous through faithful actions and not through faith alone. (CEB) Empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Hence, faith alone. *Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)
In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)
Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
*Fits the context.
Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness. *Hermeneutics.
Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
*Fits the context.
James 2:24 - So, you see that a person is shown to be righteous through faithful actions and not through faith alone. (CEB) Empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains alone - "barren of works." (James 2:14) Hence, faith alone. *Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)
In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is shown to be righteous. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)
Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
*Fits the context.
Romans 4:2 - For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness. *Hermeneutics.
Greek word for justified "dikaioo" Strongs #1344 is:
1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
*Fits the context.
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Indeed, and we need to understand that Christ, not ourselves, is the source of our good deeds; they are not our own.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV)
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Amen! Apart from Christ (vital union with Christ) we can do nothing. (John 15:5)
Some branches are "in the vine," only in the sense that they're intertwined or touching the other branches. Yet, they are not truly part of the life of the plant. In this context, these are the people Jesus refers to as "in me" but barren (John 15:2). Those "branches" merely associate with Christian faith, identify with believers, or attend a church. But only branches truly connected to the source of life will produce fruit—just as only truly born-again Christians will produce spiritual fruit (John 15:4).
https://www.bibleref.com/John/15/John-15-5.html
Have a Merry Christmas!
Some branches are "in the vine," only in the sense that they're intertwined or touching the other branches. Yet, they are not truly part of the life of the plant. In this context, these are the people Jesus refers to as "in me" but barren (John 15:2). Those "branches" merely associate with Christian faith, identify with believers, or attend a church. But only branches truly connected to the source of life will produce fruit—just as only truly born-again Christians will produce spiritual fruit (John 15:4).
https://www.bibleref.com/John/15/John-15-5.html
Have a Merry Christmas!
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There are Christians who refer to themselves as “KJB preferred” and claim that they love the King James Bible. They merely prefer the KJV but they do not see it as perfect or inerrant. I am not ”KJB preferred” or “KJV Only.” I am “Core KJB.” “Core KJB” is the belief that the King James Bible is the perfect and inerrant words of God for today. Meaning, there are no errors in the King James Bible. However, that does not mean I do not use Modern Translations to sometimes aid in deciphering the archaic wording in the KJB. I am not seeking to explain away what it says in the King James Bible, but merely to flesh out the difficult wording at times. This occasional deciphering process can be done with either an older dictionary and or a Modern Bible. Modern Translations are not my final Word of authority because they teach many false doctrines. Most Christians are pretty clueless to this fact. They are like a deer frozen in their tracks by the blinding headlights of an oncoming speeding pickup truck on this matter.
Side Note:
Oh, and as to the name “Core KJB”: Well, the KJB is my core foundational text, but I do use other sources (dictionaries, other translations) to help define what the KJB already says. I am not looking to say that an English word is incorrect or anything. The King James Bible is the Word of God. Most folks are clueless of what archaic words are in the KJB to begin with. They never did the study.
Side Note:
Oh, and as to the name “Core KJB”: Well, the KJB is my core foundational text, but I do use other sources (dictionaries, other translations) to help define what the KJB already says. I am not looking to say that an English word is incorrect or anything. The King James Bible is the Word of God. Most folks are clueless of what archaic words are in the KJB to begin with. They never did the study.
[Continued from my previous post to you]:
A true “KJV Only believer“ only reads or examines Modern Bibles to point out their flaws or errors.
They will never read Modern Bibles to help update any meanings or gain any extra insight into the KJB.
However, I have been blessed many times by the readings in Modern Translations and older dictionaries when looking at difficult or archaic words in the King James Bible. For example: “Faith to faith“ (Romans 1:17) (KJB) is explained as from the beginning of our faith to the end of our faith in Modern Translations, which really helps. So while I believe Modern Bibles are corrupt and teach false doctrines, I believe that God has placed them there as a part of His greater plan for good, too. Meaning, God can turn a bad situation around for good. Sometimes Contemporary Translations can be very helpful. But I would not recommend Modern Bibles as one’s final word of authority, though. There can only be one Word of God and not many. In my view: Modern Bibles are like a dictionary. Sometimes the definition fits, and sometimes it doesn’t. But my authority is not in a dictionary made by men.
A true “KJV Only believer“ only reads or examines Modern Bibles to point out their flaws or errors.
They will never read Modern Bibles to help update any meanings or gain any extra insight into the KJB.
However, I have been blessed many times by the readings in Modern Translations and older dictionaries when looking at difficult or archaic words in the King James Bible. For example: “Faith to faith“ (Romans 1:17) (KJB) is explained as from the beginning of our faith to the end of our faith in Modern Translations, which really helps. So while I believe Modern Bibles are corrupt and teach false doctrines, I believe that God has placed them there as a part of His greater plan for good, too. Meaning, God can turn a bad situation around for good. Sometimes Contemporary Translations can be very helpful. But I would not recommend Modern Bibles as one’s final word of authority, though. There can only be one Word of God and not many. In my view: Modern Bibles are like a dictionary. Sometimes the definition fits, and sometimes it doesn’t. But my authority is not in a dictionary made by men.
One has to do a dance around the clear reading of scripture to force James to agree with Paul. It doesn’t fit. No amount of works can justify someone’s righteousness. The actual example in the passage is:
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
If one feeds or clothes the needy, does that declare they are righteous?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
If one feeds or clothes the needy, does that declare they are righteous?