The Security Of The Believer
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Many Christians love to point out Romans 3:25 in that Jesus is our “propitiation through faith in his blood.”
Yes, this verse is 100% true. We do need to believe in His blood. No doubt about it.
But there is also 1 John 1:7, too. We are to walk in the light as He is in the light and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 1:7 uses the word “If” in the beginning of the verse and so this means it is conditional of whether or not we walk in the light or not. Walking in the light = Loving your brother, according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11. So we have to love our brother in order to meet the continued condition of the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin. Nobody can be saved if the blood of Jesus is not cleansing us.. This is just the tip of the iceberg of verses that the OSAS camp is not dealing with. They see these verses as something one has to explain away or something. I just read these verses and believe them at face value. That’s the difference between us here.
Yes, this verse is 100% true. We do need to believe in His blood. No doubt about it.
But there is also 1 John 1:7, too. We are to walk in the light as He is in the light and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.
1 John 1:7 uses the word “If” in the beginning of the verse and so this means it is conditional of whether or not we walk in the light or not. Walking in the light = Loving your brother, according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11. So we have to love our brother in order to meet the continued condition of the blood of Jesus to cleanse us from all sin. Nobody can be saved if the blood of Jesus is not cleansing us.. This is just the tip of the iceberg of verses that the OSAS camp is not dealing with. They see these verses as something one has to explain away or something. I just read these verses and believe them at face value. That’s the difference between us here.
Scripture must harmonize with scripture and the passages that I shared with you in post #1,333 are in perfect harmony.
When Paul uses the term "justified" he is describing the legal (judicial) act of God by which he accounts the believer as righteous - Romans 4:2-6.
James, however is using the term "justified" to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works they do - James 2:14-24.
We show our faith by our works. (James 2:18)
When Paul uses the term "justified" he is describing the legal (judicial) act of God by which he accounts the believer as righteous - Romans 4:2-6.
James, however is using the term "justified" to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works they do - James 2:14-24.
We show our faith by our works. (James 2:18)
So, the word justified can have different meanings in order to fit a certain theology because, God forbid, what James stated was true.
To whom are we justified? Other men? Abraham was not justified before other men, but God. Abraham is the example James uses. Abraham was not justified before God until he offered up Isaac his son.
To whom are we justified? Other men? Abraham was not justified before other men, but God. Abraham is the example James uses. Abraham was not justified before God until he offered up Isaac his son.
In regard to 1 John 1:7, believers were (past tense) once/formerly darkness but are now light in the Lord and we are to walk as children of light. (Ephesians 5:8) *Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is 'descriptive' of children of God.
Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.
*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil.
1 ohn 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
Those who practice righteousness do so BECAUSE they are righteous and not in order to become righteous. Works-salvationists and eternal IN-securists confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages and the end result is works-righteousness.
Only those who are saved/believers are in the light.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.
2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.
*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.
*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is 'descriptive' of children of the devil.
1 ohn 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
Those who practice righteousness do so BECAUSE they are righteous and not in order to become righteous. Works-salvationists and eternal IN-securists confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages and the end result is works-righteousness.
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The word "justified" does have different meanings (depending on the context) as I already shared with you in post #1,333.
Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) based on his faith and not his works (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3) and many years later he was justified (shown to be righteous) when he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. "Perfect harmony.
In James 2:21, notice that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22.
The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.
Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) based on his faith and not his works (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3) and many years later he was justified (shown to be righteous) when he offered up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. "Perfect harmony.
In James 2:21, notice that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22.
The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to account him as righteous, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. That is the "sense" in which Abraham was "justified by works." He was shown to be righteous.
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What you’re missing is that most everything in your New Testament is a part of the faith. If God tells you to do something as a part of the New Testament or New Covenant, and you don’t believe it or do it, this is simply a lack of faith. Most Christians today do not believe the warnings in Scripture let alone many other things.
How so? One audience (the Israelites) are "accounted as righteous" by works but not another audience? Is that what you believe?
Abraham being "accounted as righteous" by works in James 2:21 would be in contradiction with Romans 4:2-3 and man being "accounted as righteous" in James 2:24 would be in contradiction with Romans 4:5-6. Period.
Abraham being "accounted as righteous" by works in James 2:21 would be in contradiction with Romans 4:2-3 and man being "accounted as righteous" in James 2:24 would be in contradiction with Romans 4:5-6. Period.
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Romans 10:17 says, “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
I understand this as believing everything in our Bible. The faith starts off as believing in Jesus as our Savior and believing the saving gospel message. We believe the gospel in Corinthians 15:1-4 in that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day for our salvation. Cornelius and his house believed the important aspects of this message and they received the Spirit. They were saved initially by the believing the gospel message. But one’s faith or instructions from God in the New Testament does not end with believing the gospel. There are many other things we have to believe and do as a part of the faith. For example: A person does not need to believe in the Trinity to be initially saved, but if they later hear about the Godhead in Scripture and reject that doctrine or truth, they are then not saved. Why? Nobody can worship a false God and expect to be right with the Lord.
I understand this as believing everything in our Bible. The faith starts off as believing in Jesus as our Savior and believing the saving gospel message. We believe the gospel in Corinthians 15:1-4 in that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day for our salvation. Cornelius and his house believed the important aspects of this message and they received the Spirit. They were saved initially by the believing the gospel message. But one’s faith or instructions from God in the New Testament does not end with believing the gospel. There are many other things we have to believe and do as a part of the faith. For example: A person does not need to believe in the Trinity to be initially saved, but if they later hear about the Godhead in Scripture and reject that doctrine or truth, they are then not saved. Why? Nobody can worship a false God and expect to be right with the Lord.
Properly harmonizing scrpture with scripture (in order to avoid contradictions in scripture) before reaching our conclusion on doctrine is not dangerous.
An interpretation of scripture that results in contradiction to other scripture and culminates in works righteousness is dangerous.
An interpretation of scripture that results in contradiction to other scripture and culminates in works righteousness is dangerous.
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Well, this is not to derail the thread, but I see you as KJB preferred what you call yourself "Core KJB". Well, a real KJB Only is not only after pointing out errors of the Modern Bibles. They preach on it. They believe what it says. I don't believe they "never" read modern versions. They are reading for comparisons. They too used dictionaries but the dictionaries were not their "Final" authority. I think KJV-onlylists are the same as KJB Finally.