5 Points of Arminianism
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Sweet talking me now? Ain't that be something?
Might make a person think they're being deceived.
Those people Paul spoke about are being JUDGED and Condemned by God because there's enough physical evidence from His Creation, including HIS additions after the Flood that every human being sinner can see God exists.
This is knowledge to every human being on Earth.
A person cannot claim to be Atheist unless there is Someone to deny.
They have this evidence before them and God speaks to them but they deny Him. They have REASONED God in a literal realm of reality cannot possibly exist.
They have Rejected the WORKS finished upon the Cross. Because they deny what they are looking at like the Grand Canyon, a true mountain range, even the old parts of Israel that existed before and after Yeshua walked them. All over the Globe there's Natural Amazement and Wonder that the whole beautiful picture represents God's Artwork.
And these people have checked it out and REASONED it was by accident and theories.
They could have chosen to Believe in God but decided to listen to themselves and the Deceiver they have no idea is there haunting them.
Just as you who formerly disobeyed God have now received mercy through their disobedience, so they
too have now disobeyed, in order that they too may now receive mercy through the mercy shown to you.
For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.
This is Paul in Romans, comparing Gentile (you) to Jew. All means all. Everyone, is Every. Single. One. Respectfully.
Nope. No preaching or doctrine and that post. You've got that all wrong......
Not many people know that Arminians have a flower too. Yeah, but it’s not a Tulip.
It’s a Daisy.
They go through life pulling a petal believing They lose Salvation and God’s love, and then pull another! And Wallah! They get it and Him back! Just have to hope that last one is the right one!
It’s a Daisy.
They go through life pulling a petal believing They lose Salvation and God’s love, and then pull another! And Wallah! They get it and Him back! Just have to hope that last one is the right one!
But no one, not a single poster, nada believes God is not keeping His promises.
No one is saying God will renig on your Salvation after He gave it to you freely.
But to be in the Shadows of the Almighty, one must remain there by choice.
No one is saying God will renig on your Salvation after He gave it to you freely.
But to be in the Shadows of the Almighty, one must remain there by choice.
I’m laughing because two or three years ago you didn’t know what an Arminian was, yet you vehemently denied being one. Now it seems you’re starting to realize that you are one.
I reckon that’s a step I the right direction.
Now if we can just get you to see that Arminianism/Pelagianism is in fact a works gospel that deceives the masses and causes churches to apostatize.
Two or three years ago I most certainly did know what Arminianism is, what Calvinism is, and what Molinism is. Either
your memory is faulty, you confuse me with someone else, or you deliberately lie. I would not put the last past you.
Calling me a liar, that’s nice. I notice you picked just one part of my post to mount your attack. You didn’t address my past denial claim or your current position on Arminianism. How convenient.
Try to focus now.
Looking at your recent posts defending Arminianism and knowing your history of promoting man’s ability to believe unto salvation of his own choice, we’ll take a “leap” and say you are in fact an Arminian.
Are you Arminian?
1. Deny you’re Arminian now and you’ll prove your doctrinal ignorance and or YOUR dishonesty.
2. Admit you’re Arminian now and you’ll prove my previous post true because of your past denial and or YOUR dishonesty.
Painted yourself into a corner there.
I know your skull gears are smoking right now, take a breath. As I said before, it seems you’re starting to realize that you’re Arminian. It’s ok, that’s a step in the right direction.
Now if we can just get you to see that Arminianism/Pelagianism is in fact a works gospel that deceives the masses and causes churches to apostatize.
Just over 2 years ago, you admitted you knew little of Arminianism. And here:
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-stirring-the-pot.180696/page-84#post-4317047
I tell you I disagree with free will, but you ignore that and claim I am among those who promote it.
Why does Pelagianism come into this? I am not one of them either. Your understanding of what I believe looks
to amount to zero, yet you feel qualified to make declarative statements about what I believe none-the-less.
I am not here to answer to your demands. From what I have seen, you are a game player, and dishonesty goes with that.
You have brought into a history of Wesley to Pentecost even if they only connect because of a simple factor in each separate origin.
But you clearly have never attended any such Church because none of what YOU CLAIM THEY BELIEVE do they actually believe.
NO Pentecost believes you can work for your Salvation.
Or, you can lose it because God decides to make you lose it.
What they do believe is where both Calvin and Armini also believed at.
Mostly what they don't believe has nothing to do with Calvin or Armini.
You posted a biased Source that represents Southern Baptist beliefs and who disagrees with them.
I know, I was born into a Southern Baptist home church.
Properly defining something does not amount to defending what it is.
I have done the same with Calvinism. Will you call me a Calvinist because of it?
I have done the same with Molinism. Will you call me a Molinist because of it?
You have a penchant for name calling and a dearth of understanding.
He started out black and white... Inspired by the discussions around whether man's will is free or not .
I have been here for over seven years and in that time probably not once ever agreed with man having free will,
having many times said that man's will is constrained by too many factors to be truly considered free. Sampling:
The choice thing seems to be the stickler. Do we have free will? Of course not, at least, I disagree with that
whole concept, since our will is constrained by many factors; I prefer instead the term self will. Man's will
is clearly bent one way or the other, as plainly shown throughout the whole of Scripture. To say one makes
a choice aligns with the fact that we are not forced, and does not deny that it is God Who makes it possible
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-stirring-the-pot.180696/page-84#post-4317047
I prefer the term "self will" over "free will." Man's will is constrained by too many factors to really call it "free." On the other hand, self will is clearly a Biblical principle, especially in regards to whether it is aligned with God's will, or not... which is rather the point, isn't it?
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...stirring-the-pot.180696/page-117#post-4323809
I prefer the term self will, since man's will is constrained by many factors...
Man's will is either aligned with God's, or it is not.
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...study-in-election.194413/page-55#post-4366705
I do not subscribe to "free will," for man's will is constrained by many factors
Self will, however, is an entirely different matter
As can be seen throughout Scripture, from Genesis onward
I tend to think of God's will as being evident in three ways:
His sovereign will: Our God is in heaven; He does as He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)
His moral will (as seen in His character and the ten commandments).
His permissive will (allowing man to rebel against Him).
Doing it your way is exactly what self will is. Now, calling free will a misnomer does not mean people do not have a choice
Plus, you allude to the same thing I have said often: the will is constrained by many factors
I prefer the term self will
Man's will is constrained by many factors, and as such, I prefer the term "self will"
Man's will in opposition to God is the problem.
Thank God He gives us new desires!
Perhaps @NOV25 will finally get it. Hope springs eternal .
No, that's just simply a lie. So either you're just regurgitating what someone else you listen to is saying, or you are deliberately lying. I'm hoping you just simply don't know any better.
You're not Pelagian either? Are you saying you’re not Pelagian or Arminian?
Why then were you the first to respond to this thread with your FACTS and continually defend the doctrine?
Oh I see
Little trouble following you there.
But yes it’s my conclusion that Arminianism/Pelagianism (aka man’s ability to believe unto salvation) is a root of apostasy. And yes, I gave the Catholic, Methodist, Pentecostal/Charismatic churches as examples.
All of these either started in or adopted the works gospel then went astray in some way. There are more but researching these should reveal the obvious common denominator.
To put it bluntly, look up any church that affirms gay marriage, prosperity gospel, woman preachers, gay pastors etc. and you’ll discover their Arminian/Pelagian stance. Why?
Because easy believism breeds false converts who eventually hold positions of authority in the church, which causes further spiral into heresy.
It’s not rocket science.