can people in hell repent and turn to God

[Goldensparrow]

The bible says only God has immortality.

1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

There may be different words here in the Koine Greek being translated into English as immortality. Angels have a beginning but do not die. G*d could unmake an angel if he decided to do so. Yeshua (Jesus) does not have a beginning or end because the Son of G*d is eternal. English is a pragmatic language and Koine Greek has multiple words for different types of love, salvation and even the word if. Tenses work different in Koine Greek than they do in English. All things to remember when reading the New Testament.

 

[Goldensparrow]

We could probably simplify things somewhat by taking a dispensationalist approach, though that tends to depict time as linear and that is a very human perception of the passage of time. Though some could argue that mankind invented time as a mental construct...time is still a tool that helps us organize order of events, duration, ect.

 

[Magenta]

What? Eternal means to have no beginning so it can only be applied to God. No one can re-define a word.

I agree. Eternal = without beginning or end. Words can change over time but God as an eternal Being does not

 

[oyster67]

What? Eternal means to have no beginning so it can only be applied to God. No one can re-define a word.

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Didn't take us long to bump into a stump on that one.

 

[ewq1938]

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Didn't take us long to bump into a stump on that one.

It's better understood as everlasting.

 

[Goldensparrow]

Two special trees in the Garden: Tree of knowledge and the Tree of Life, and obtw. Forever means Forever, not just a long time.

Please do not call the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil the Tree of Knowledge. This is a favorite thing that atheist and those who serve the devil like to use in order to mislead unbelievers and cause confusion and resentment towards G*d, promoting the idea the it was the intention of our Lord that we all be imbeciles and that Satan brought wisdom to humanity. Satanists will follow through with the argument that it is therefore G*d and not Satan who is evil. Creativity has also been promoted as the forbidden fruit as well, which is also not biblical.

Other common misquotes are:

Money is the root of all evil versus The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil

So atheist will jump all over a Christian that they see has money yelling hypocrite!

and

The wages of sin is death. without quoting the remainder of the verse but the gift of G*d is eternal life.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No, they are mortals. Only the saved will be immortal (only God is eternal since eternal means to have no beginning so that cannot apply to any created person).

Hello ewq1938!

Actually, the words 'aion/aionios' translated as 'eternal or forever' can mean 'an age, cycle of time, having no beginning or ending or never ending. Therefore 'aionios/eternal' can be applied those who are saved because through Christ we have obtained never ending life. As Jesus said regarding those who believe in Him "though they die, yet shall they live." And example of the word aionios translated as eternal, i.e. having no beginning or ending, is demonstrated in the following scripture:

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven. And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay!" - Revelation 10:5-6

The words 'forever and ever' are translated from the Greek 'aion' which according to this context would demonstrate God's eternal state, i.e. having no beginning or ending. It is the context that will bear out the meaning. Obviously when it speaks about the believer having eternal life, the context would not bear out the believer as having no beginning or ending, but having never ending life from the time we believed.

Therefore, the words 'aion/aionios' can be applied to the saved person. It is the context that will determine the meaning.

 

[Goldensparrow]

Those who have experienced the final judgement can no longer repent and return to G*d.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Those who have experienced the final judgement can no longer repent and return to G*d.

You are correct my friend. Did you mean 'those [who will] experience the final judgment?" I say this because the final judgment, i.e. the great white throne judgment doesn't take place until after the millennial kingdom.

 

[oyster67]

Please do not call the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil the Tree of Knowledge. This is a favorite thing that atheist and those who serve the devil like to use

Me learns something new every day. Sorry about that. Did not mean to direct any souls towards hell. Would it be ok with you if I shortened it to TKGE then?

 

[phil36]

I think it depends on what is meant by 'free will'

Our will's are tied to who we are. As in our nature. Its not in fallen human nature (will) to choose God. So when in Hell they will freely choose it as it is their nature...and they'l probably curse God all the more for it.

For those who are in Christ their nature has been changed (regeneration) so that they choose God.

So , in the need all our decisions are tied to our nature (so are they free???)


John 8:44 NIV

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


the opposite is true for christians their nature has been changed so their desires as adopted son/daughters has changed.

2 Corinthians 5:17

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 4:22-24

To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

Romans 8:14-19

For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him. For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.



Once we understand what we mean by 'will' then we see the scriptures that bit more clear I believe. We do according to our nature so in the sense of salvation our will's are not free to chose God for we belonged to the father of lies the devil. Of course in that state we can choose what we are going to have for breakfast what colour of car we are going to buy, where we go on holiday etc. But concerning salvation our wills -will not choose God unless our nature is changed and Good by His grace does that (2 Cor 4:3-4)

basically here it is in Scripture -

Made Alive in Christ Ephesians 2:1-4
2 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

 

[Magenta]

I think it depends on what is meant by 'free will'

Our will's are tied to who we are. As in our nature. Its not in fallen human nature (will) to choose God. So when in Hell they will freely choose it as it is their nature...and they'll probably curse God all the more for it.

I prefer the the self will, since it is evident from the beginning to the end of Scripture.

Plus, you allude to the same thing I have said often: the will is constrained by many factors

 

[phil36]

I prefer the the self will, since it is evident from the beginning to the end of Scripture.

Plus, you allude to the same thing I have said often: the will is constrained by many factors

It certainly is magenta.

 

[Magenta]

It certainly is magenta.

Ha, oops, I said "the the" when I meant to say "the term"

 

[oyster67]

Ha, oops, I said "the the" when I meant to say "the term"

I do that that a lot lot.

 

[Journeyman]

Psalms
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],
2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

I'm sure torment without end is what the scriptures teach, because God is just.

Actually, torment without end isn't justice. It's sadistic. And in Acts 4, Peter quoted the passage you cited. Read how God spoke to those who threatened the Apostles, as they threatened his Son also.

 

[Magenta]

God command Satan after Eve eaten bad apple.before god didn't command Satan.
so Satan could ask Eve a question.
I don't know who teach you that god giving Satan permission .

You should go back and read genesis.what god said to Satan,It was clearly an order.
command and order.

I don't know if God's command to Adam is a command to Satan.if not,that is why serpent is craft.

cuz Satan knows when god command him that's an order for him.

You are contradicting yourself.

Jesus said, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat."

Did God give Satan permission to do this, or not?

I say yes. You say no.

 

[posthuman]

The ability to choose certain things is not the thing same as having free will.

This is true.

I think our language is a little sticky here. I would say we have free will but that will is not absolutely free.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Those who have experienced the final judgement can no longer repent and return to G*d.

Morning Goldensparrow!

Regarding this, according to scripture, I would say that once a person dies without receiving Christ, they can no longer repent and be reconciled to God, for their record is sealed at that time. The final judgment, i.e. the great white throne judgment takes place after millennial kingdom. Once a person dies without Christ, they will be held accountable for their own sins, where if they had received Christ He was already held accountable.

I would also add that, the righteous are not judged at the great white throne judgment, but it will be the judgment of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. Revelation 20:11-15 is view of the great white throne judgment. Notice that even after those who are in Hades are resurrected, they are are still referred to as 'the dead.' This is in reference to their status to God.

 

[VickyK]

This is true.

I think our language is a little sticky here. I would say we have free will but that will is not absolutely free.

A slave is free but that slave is not absolutely free.