If "Soul Sleep" Is Correct Doctrine?
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I disagree. When a person dies, the person is dead. The soul doesn't "go" anywhere. The person is dead.
I do not believe that the OT scriptures concerning death were wrong.
Thanks!
I believe that when Paul said "absent from the body" he was not talking about dying, but about the return of Christ. The rapture. Then is when dead Christians will be raised from the dead, and living Christians changed. It does not happen at death.
Works for me, too. Death is an enemy (1 Cor 15:26), but if there is anything good about death, while people are dead they are not aware of the passing of time. So practically speaking, the longest someone will have to wait until they are made immortal is the length of their life here.
I don't think it's impossible. I think it's a vision, given to John to let him know that it will be a while before the trib is over. More people will be dying. Also, they were given white robes. What are disembodied souls going to do with robes?
It was a parable. By the time of Jesus, the Pharisees had adopted the Greek belief that the soul was immortal. Jesus told them a parable that they could relate to. The point of the parable is verse 31. Also, think about it for a minute.. Abraham's Bosom was supposed to be the good side of Hades, right? Some people were supposedly there for over a thousand years. How "good" would it have been, being comforted by Abe, listening to the screams and torment of those just across the gulf?
I think it's quite possible to reconcile them.
"Under the sun" is an idiom representing life. We still use it today.
I do not believe that the OT scriptures concerning death were wrong.
Thanks!
I believe that when Paul said "absent from the body" he was not talking about dying, but about the return of Christ. The rapture. Then is when dead Christians will be raised from the dead, and living Christians changed. It does not happen at death.
Works for me, too. Death is an enemy (1 Cor 15:26), but if there is anything good about death, while people are dead they are not aware of the passing of time. So practically speaking, the longest someone will have to wait until they are made immortal is the length of their life here.
I don't think it's impossible. I think it's a vision, given to John to let him know that it will be a while before the trib is over. More people will be dying. Also, they were given white robes. What are disembodied souls going to do with robes?
It was a parable. By the time of Jesus, the Pharisees had adopted the Greek belief that the soul was immortal. Jesus told them a parable that they could relate to. The point of the parable is verse 31. Also, think about it for a minute.. Abraham's Bosom was supposed to be the good side of Hades, right? Some people were supposedly there for over a thousand years. How "good" would it have been, being comforted by Abe, listening to the screams and torment of those just across the gulf?
I think it's quite possible to reconcile them.
"Under the sun" is an idiom representing life. We still use it today.
It's sad and ironic that most Christians believe the devil.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
..unintenionally, of course. People simply believe what they were taught. The Pharisees had adopted the Greek belief that the soul is immortal, and unfortunately that belief made its way into mainstream Christianity. Death is not the gateway to the afterlife. When Christians die, they don't "go to be with Jesus." God does not "call people home." Death is an ENEMY. A Christian's hope should be in the rapture, not in dying. At the rapture is when dead Christians will be made alive and living Christians changed.
The human soul is not immortal. One day Christian people will be immortal, but for now, death remains an enemy.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
..unintenionally, of course. People simply believe what they were taught. The Pharisees had adopted the Greek belief that the soul is immortal, and unfortunately that belief made its way into mainstream Christianity. Death is not the gateway to the afterlife. When Christians die, they don't "go to be with Jesus." God does not "call people home." Death is an ENEMY. A Christian's hope should be in the rapture, not in dying. At the rapture is when dead Christians will be made alive and living Christians changed.
The human soul is not immortal. One day Christian people will be immortal, but for now, death remains an enemy.
The rapture is a rather elusive concept, not much in the bible about it, not much to hang one's hat on it terms of some future event.
As well,
Jesus makes it clear there is no soul sleep.
Jesus said to him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Amplified Bible.
As well,
Jesus makes it clear there is no soul sleep.
Jesus said to him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”
Amplified Bible.
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The Hebrew word translated "soul" in Gen 2:7 is nephesh whereas in your
version of Ecc 12:7 the Hebrew word translated soul is ruwach, which
doesn't mean soul at all, rather, it means spirit, e.g, Gen 1:2 and Gen 6:3.
I think most serious students of the Bible would protest that soul and spirit
are distinctly different and should not be taken to be speaking of the same
thing.
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The Hebrew word translated "soul" in Gen 2:7 is nephesh whereas in your
version of Ecc 12:7 the Hebrew word translated soul is ruwach, which
doesn't mean soul at all, rather, it means spirit, e.g, Gen 1:2 and Gen 6:3.
I think most serious students of the Bible would protest that soul and spirit
are distinctly different and should not be taken to be speaking of the same
thing.
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Because all still die and pay their own wages of sin. After the tribulation and Gods day of anger-Jesus has 1000 year reign,( Rev 20:6) during that a resurrection will occur-These will be taught Gods will, but must be tested and that is why satan gets loosed for a little while,( Rev 20:7) many( Gog from magog) as the sands of the sea follow him and get destroyed, then satan gets destroyed and their will be no more need for death and Hades(grave ) anymore.( Rev 20:14)-- only the righteous will remain after that.
Interchangeable; spirit/soul?
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Hebrews 10:39
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But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1 Peter 2:11
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Hebrews 10:39
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But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 Peter 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1 Peter 2:11
Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;