Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[anotherperson]

1) Biblical?
2) That would undoubtedly constitute the entire Body. Who believe on Him, continue in His word, know the truth, and are free.

Thing is.....even in that little article I could see that the attempt at exegesis was a train wreck. Seriously.

Every Christian who respects the rebirth, the mind of God within them, self-effort dies. This is why Jesus said his burden is light. It is us at rest while God within us moves.

We are not as silly Elvis impersonators, but we are Elvis himself, with God moving us.

 

[Mem]

Every Christian who respects the rebirth, the mind of God within them, self-effort dies. This is why Jesus said his burden is light. It is us at rest while God within us moves.

We are not as silly Elvis impersonators, but we are Elvis himself, with God moving us.

I am General Issue Elvis.

 

[ResidentAlien]

If anybody believes in the insecurity of salvation they are not a believer in the rebirth,

I believe salvation can be lost and I believe in rebirth; not as you understand it though. I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm very secure.

Seems to me—after thinking about this a great deal—a person who has to rely on an unscriptural belief like eternal security is far more insecure than someone who doesn't.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I believe salvation can be lost and I believe in rebirth; not as you understand it though. I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm very secure.

Seems to me—after thinking about this a great deal—a person who has to rely on an unscriptural belief like eternal security is far more insecure than someone who doesn't.

this makes no sense whatsoever.

Those who are secure believe in eternal security..because they have the assurance of Christ

You can;t believe you can toss away salvation or "unearn" it and think you are secure. You would be lying to yourself.

 

[Snacks]

I believe salvation can be lost and I believe in rebirth; not as you understand it though. I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm very secure.

Seems to me—after thinking about this a great deal—a person who has to rely on an unscriptural belief like eternal security is far more insecure than someone who doesn't.

“Unscriptural belief like eternal security” 🤣

 

[HeIsHere]

Every Christian who respects the rebirth, the mind of God within them, self-effort dies. This is why Jesus said his burden is light. It is us at rest while God within us moves.

We are not as silly Elvis impersonators, but we are Elvis himself, with God moving us.

Yes but God is not in the business of forced obedience.

 

[HeIsHere]

It was plain and simple to me. What is your conclusion?

There is a thread of unified thought within this letter and a central thesis.

James addresses these dispersed Jews 15 times as brothers and even beloved brothers.

James was thinking about believers when he wrote.

To think there James had unbelievers in mind is a modern view imposed on the text.

Tell me, if there were unbelievers where does James tell them how to get to heaven?

The letters are about how to live rightly with God because some of them were not, but they were saved.

 

[cv5]

I believe salvation can be lost and I believe in rebirth; not as you understand it though. I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm very secure.

Seems to me—after thinking about this a great deal—a person who has to rely on an unscriptural belief like eternal security is far more insecure than someone who doesn't.

Give it time. Your view will change on the matter. In a sense, this sounds a lot like Eph ch 1 does it not?

Eze 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Eze 36:26
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Jer 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[Runningman]

Every Christian who respects the rebirth, the mind of God within them, self-effort dies. This is why Jesus said his burden is light. It is us at rest while God within us moves.

We are not as silly Elvis impersonators, but we are Elvis himself, with God moving us.

You seem to equate a light burden to a non-existent burden. A light burden isn’t necessarily easy, relatively speaking. Since Jesus said the strait and narrow way is not easy, Jesus is saying that there is indeed a burden. If we took the yoke upon ourselves Jesus had, we’d be following his commandments, walking in his ways, because that’s a requirement. Flowery language doesn’t change this.

 

[HeIsHere]

You seem to equate a light burden to a non-existent burden. A light burden isn’t necessarily easy, relatively speaking. Since Jesus said the strait and narrow way is not easy, Jesus is saying that there is indeed a burden. If we took the yoke upon ourselves Jesus had, we’d be following his commandments, walking in his ways, because that’s a requirement. Flowery language doesn’t change this.

Jesus makes no mention of the strait and narrow being "not easy."

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

 

[Snacks]

some 4 or 5 people falsely accused me of calling God a liar, I've been told I'm demon possessed, someone entertained the idea of martyring me, someone said I would murder Jesus if I was alive back then, been told I'm going to hell, been told I've blasphemed the Holy Spirit, been called a liar, you name it! Don't you think the spiritual warfare is coming from them?

Where are these posts?

 

[Snacks]

I don't want to answer it because, at this point, that would only give satisfaction to my accusers. They will only return later to accuse me of something else.

I’m not an accuser; I proclaim Jesus Christ to be the Son of God, my Lord and Savior, and would like to know if you proclaim the same.

 

[Magenta]

It's more like with every post I make, I have people literally scrutinizing every dot, every i, every t, just to find something, anything, to contradict me. Yesterday, someone dug up a thread from late last year just to try to prove something I said was wrong. LoL. That's the level of pettiness I'm working with here.

Now PennEd is digging through my posts, too. Let's just be plain about something: they would love nothing more than to nail down anything I said that's wrong and they probably want me removed from the forum as well.

This has gotten bad. I think in one day some 4 or 5 people falsely accused me of calling God a liar, I've been told I'm demon possessed, someone entertained the idea of martyring me, someone said I would murder Jesus if I was alive back then, been told I'm going to hell, been told I've blasphemed the Holy Spirit, been called a liar, you name it! Don't you think the spiritual warfare is coming from them?

Yes, I responded to a post you made last November where you accused me of being dishonest. You claim honesty means a lot to you, yet you refuse to admit that Jesus did not say what you claim he did. You repeatedly make the claim He said something He did not, and that makes you dishonest. You cannot even admit that Scripture teaches that man is born into a state that requires a spiritual rebirth in order to be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after. You complain about being called a liar, while your post stream has multiple posts from you accusing people of being dishonest. Just on the first two pages! Mostly I have you on ignore because your twisting of Scripture is disturbing, and so I had not seen that post before. You have a very strange and sometimes completely absurd way of interpreting things.

 

[Runningman]

I’m not an accuser; I proclaim Jesus Christ to be the Son of God, my Lord and Savior, and would like to know if you proclaim the same.

I proclaim the same thing as you.

 

[Runningman]

I proclaim the same thing as you.

And I've been proclaiming those very things, quoting them verbatim from the New Testament, and people keep calling me a heretic because I haven't said "Jesus is God." Even though saying "Jesus is God" isn't something we are told in the Bible we will recognize those with the Holy Spirit by. Those with the Holy Spirit proclaim Jesus is Lord, not just in word, but with sincerity of heart and a walk to back it up. These people aren't satisfied with that.

 

[Runningman]

Where are these posts?

I could make direct links. Two of the most grievous things I've ever been told on this message board were in my "Do you keep the Sabbath?" thread.

First, you can start with this one and read where it ended up:

You don't attend a church of the Inquisition. You are dragged into that church, kicking and screaming.
Then your doctrine is examined by a court of law.

Next this one:

Jesus worked on the Sabbath and said His Father continued to do so too.

2K years ago you would have probably wanted to stone Christ along with the others who sought to kill Him.

There's more, too, some are in this thread. some are elsewhere and I can't be bothered to dig them up at the moment.

 

[Magenta]

And I've been proclaiming those very things, quoting them verbatim from the New Testament, and people keep calling me a heretic because I haven't said "Jesus is God." Even though saying "Jesus is God" isn't something we are told in the Bible we will recognize those with the Holy Spirit by. Those with the Holy Spirit proclaim Jesus is Lord, not just in word, but with sincerity of heart and a walk to back it up. These people aren't satisfied with that.

True, it just means you will die in your sins. Jesus said so.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

And I've been proclaiming those very things, quoting them verbatim from the New Testament, and people keep calling me a heretic because I haven't said "Jesus is God." Even though saying "Jesus is God" isn't something we are told in the Bible we will recognize those with the Holy Spirit by. Those with the Holy Spirit proclaim Jesus is Lord, not just in word, but with sincerity of heart and a walk to back it up. These people aren't satisfied with that.

But it is in the Bible.

Do you think Peter did not know who Jesus was?

Peter calls Jesus God and Saviour!

 

[Runningman]

But it is in the Bible.

Do you think Peter did not know who Jesus was?

God and Savior Jesus Christ are two different persons in this verse; hence the Trinity. This is corroborated by a mountain of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. I haven't even bothered to post all of it.

 

[Magenta]

Just on the first two pages!

That's as far as I looked. There were nine pages total with the searched keyword being "honest."