Cessationism and Continuationism

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Aerials1978 said:
All you did was cut and paste. What website was this from? Also, I didn’t say prophets were not in the early church. Acts makes reference to these prophets(Chapters 11, 22). I asking about today. If you believe yes, in your own words explain why.
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that is my position from my understanding you asked a one-liner question are their prophets today IF I just said YES you would have gone on some tangent. So, it is irrelevant I said yes to your question and provided the answer in death out of respect to you. I take it you did not read what was there? what I cut and pasted was an answer to your question.

Now answer my question

There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?
 
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CS1 said:
I did I said yes and gave an overview of that from the word of God. Now, please

There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?

waiting for your answer.
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I don’t believe they occur like they did during that time for various reasons that I have already given. I am interested to hear your answer though.
 
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that does not work with me. I have answered it in my own life but I am not responsible for your belief.

there is an ongoing thread wherein that exact question is well answered

as it is, the fact you can say nothing happened, is the other side of the coin

you are simply expressing what others have taught you. I see nothing original in what you are saying or any reason to question the veracity of tongues today

why start a thread like this other than to promote those teachings?
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Right, which was my point. Why another thread to spread her opinion? We have those up the yin yang. Why say you want to discuss an issue then say "well I agree with this guy, you're just full of emotionalism". It really is tiresome.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I don’t believe they occur like they did during that time for various reasons that I have already given. I am interested to hear your answer though.
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that is not what I asked, ok then I will ask it this way


There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happened in the book of Acts do you know what that is?
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I don’t believe they occur like they did during that time for various reasons that I have already given. I am interested to hear your answer though.
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you can give them again please, I did not to see them and we are moved well long in this thread.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
It’s quite apparent that God did do this things at an appointed time. Just like when Christ was to come, when Noah build the ark, when King David acceded to the throne. These are all instances of perfect timing and with purpose. The capstone has been laid and built upon, what else is there?
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why was the Holy Spirit sent? to indwell believers and give supernatural power to witness for Christ

the spiritual gifts are for the good of the body...not self grandiosity

there is more than one aspect to tongues....do you know what they are? it's in the Bible

speaking of perfect timing and purpose, can you think of an instant when we do not need power for living for God in this world?
 
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Right, which was my point. Why another thread to spread her opinion? We have those up the yin yang. Why say you want to discuss an issue then say "well I agree with this guy, you're just full of emotionalism". It really is tiresome.
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she is attempting to use inductive reasoning which is why she throws questions back without answering any of our questions

example:
As odd as it sounds, in science, law, and many other fields, there is no such thing as proof — there are only conclusions drawn from facts and observations. Scientists cannot prove a hypothesis, but they can collect evidence that points to its being true. Lawyers cannot prove that something happened (or didn’t), but they can provide evidence that seems irrefutable.

The question of what makes something true is more relevant than ever in this era of alternative facts and fake news. This article explores truth — what it means and how we establish it. We’ll dive into inductive and deductive reasoning as well as a bit of history.

notice the remarks presented follow that type of reasoning or debate format

frankly, nothing like trying to prove or disprove a spiritual truth from human understanding :rolleyes:
 
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SophieT said:
why was the Holy Spirit sent? to indwell believers and give supernatural power to witness for Christ

the spiritual gifts are for the good of the body...not self grandiosity

there is more than one aspect to tongues....do you know what they are? it's in the Bible

speaking of perfect timing and purpose, can you think of an instant when we do not need power for living for God in this world?
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Yes, you and I are in compete agreement on that. Because nothing had been codified with regards to actual NT writings, certain supernatural events took place. I make the same distinction with the Exodus. The Hebrews where shown who their God was by His miraculous showing(The 10 plagues, Red Sea, Mount Sinai, etc). Moses had not yet put to pen the Talmud. I believe this was the same concept for the early church.
 
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Yes, you and I are in compete agreement on that. Because nothing had been codified with regards to actual NT writings, certain supernatural events took place. I make the same distinction with the Exodus. The Hebrews where shown who their God was by His miraculous showing(The 10 plagues, Red Sea, Mount Sinai, etc). Moses had not yet put to pen the Talmud. I believe this was the same concept for the early church.
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this is gobble de gook. there is no reflection or attempt to answer my question. if you cannot answer it, you have proven you are actually ignorant of the topic you wish to educate the rest of us on

here is the question again:

there is more than one aspect to tongues....do you know what they are? it's in the Bible
 
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Interesting video. I would be inclined to believe him if not for my friend who has a studder problem in the middle of prayer suddenly speaking fluent hebrew without a stutter at all. Now as for his points on apostles the thing is tongues healing miracles are not gifts of the apostles but gifts of the spirit just because apostles have ceased doesn't mean the spirit does.

And what was the one thing Jesus taught when it comes to miracles? Faith. Yes there are many fakes out there getting rich and misguiding many of his flock but miracles can only happen if you have the faith to believe in them it doesn't take much faith to say they have ceased but it requires a true believer who has faith enough to see them it requires one to have faith in the impossible.

The devil mimicks and twists many of the things God does and isn't it interesting how many fakes you see in their mega churches or on youtube as if to cause disbelief for his true children?
I don't think they happen as often but they do happen most of thjje time not on a big screen or in front of a crowd but in those small places in the privacy of a persons room in a dire circumstance where only God's intervention can change the results. God has a thing about the small and humble.


I myself am praying for a miracle that my eyes will be healed, it is the only way I will ever see clearly again as I am legally blind the damage is just to much to fix by ordinary means I want to see a miracle a true act of God so that I may be a testimony and also confirmation that my faith was not in vain. I may not ever actually recieve it I may even be wrong about miracles but I would rather have the faith to believe for a miracle and recieve it than to say they have ceased and thus never see it for myself.
 
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this is gobble de gook. there is no reflection or attempt to answer my question. if you cannot answer it, you have proven you are actually ignorant of the topic you wish to educate the rest of us on

here is the question again:

there is more than one aspect to tongues....do you know what they are? it's in the Bible
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Sorry you feel that way. I seem to recall you also giving gobble de gook when I asked you to give a historical account of this prevailing through out the centuries. Essentially your answer was “ I don’t need to justify that”. 🤔

And please tell what these aspects are. After all I’m just ignorant. BTW, have I used any ad hominems towards you? No I haven’t. Why do you feel the need to lob them toward me?
 
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Aerials1978 said:
Well for one, there has been no validated evidence to support the notion that certain miracles still do occur. I’m not say God cannot do these thigs, I’m saying He choose not to. The Apostolic age was unique as it was the founding of what would be become the Church. Not only did the Apostles have to deal with the traditions of Judaism and the religious elite of their day, but with very hostile gentile nations and cultures. Nothing had been codified as far that the NT was concerned, so God used these men and gave them special gifts to carry out the ministry that would eventually lead to their deaths. Since no written word had yet been given, God used them to convince people that they were indeed commissioned by Christ. That’s another reason I have a difficult time accepting people’s testimonies about having spiritual gifts. Jesus Himself, face to face told these men what they would do and receive. Jesus speaking to you directly in a physical and audible way is unprecedented. It just doesn’t not happen randomly.
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this did not answer the question I asked you as you asked me to look at.


my question was : There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?

I asked you a very specific question which you refused to answer. You are a dishonest person. I out of respect to you I answered your question you now give me the run-around. No problem I thought you were mature but I see I need to replace you back on ignore
 
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CS1 said:
this did not answer the question I asked you as you asked me to look at.


my question was : There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?

I asked you a very specific question which you refused to answer. You are a dishonest person. I out of respect to you I answered your question you now give me the run-around. No problem I thought you were mature but I see I need to replace you back on ignore
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I gave you an answer and since it wasn’t to your satisfaction you marginalize me and insult me. At least I don’t use others writing as my own. If you really want embrace honestly, maybe you should look yourself. first.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
I gave you an answer and since it wasn’t to your satisfaction you marginalize me and insult me. At least I don’t use others writing as my own. If you really want embrace honestly, maybe you should look yourself. first.
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I have not insulted you I have told the truth you did not answer my question

There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?


I knew you were going to troll it's ok all can see.
 
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CS1 said:
I have not insulted you I have told the truth you did not answer my question

There is ONE reason why the gifts of the Holy Spirit and signs & wonders happen today do you know what that is?


I knew you were going to troll it's ok all can see.
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Right.
 
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