1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 Vs. Matthew 24:29-31
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The Revelation and Daniel passages speak of physically prevailing here on earth. Matt 16
That could depend on how you look at the relationship of time to eternity. Don't have time to go into it in detail, but my opinion is that even tho we all leave this orb at different times, we all arrive before the Lord at the same time.
That could depend on how you look at the relationship of time to eternity. Don't have time to go into it in detail, but my opinion is that even tho we all leave this orb at different times, we all arrive before the Lord at the same time.
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^ [ @rayzor 's Post #221] ... and the very next verse (after the one you put), stating,
"13 Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist. "
[another reason why 2 completely new people makes the best sense, regarding the "2W" yet future (as opposed to any OT saints, as is often suggested)... JMHO]
"13 Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them about John the Baptist. "
[another reason why 2 completely new people makes the best sense, regarding the "2W" yet future (as opposed to any OT saints, as is often suggested)... JMHO]
has Enoch appeared standing with the God of earth like the two witnesses ?
this is what I’m saying this is a direct reference from John from the prophet zechariahs prophecy of the two witnesses
“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
Revelation 11:4
it comes from this
“And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
Zechariah 4:2-3, 10-11, 13-14 KJV
so we both I think agree the gospel is where to look to see the God of the whole earth
“But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elijah: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
Luke 9:27, 29-31 KJV
to me that’s pretty convincing you see John didn’t see the olive trees , he just references what zechariah saw 🙂 John is giving apocalypse of prior scripture in his vision and there are two in the Bible that I’m aware of standing by the God of the earth in the glory of the kingdom.
To Me , it’s sort of clear when we look at their ministries of shutting the skies of rain for 3 and a half years(elijah) and water to blood and plagues (Moses. )
versus Enoch didn’t die and was the seventh son ect I’ve always looked at Enoch as one more prophetic figure pointing to Christ like the entire law and prophets do they are witnessing Christ through prophets and figures from eves lromose forward
given the fact Enoch prophesied Christs coming it’s been a figure in my head like isaac was when he was offered and left alive from the sacrifice , or like the Passover lamb was , or the sin sacrifice or all The prophets who foretold Jesus birth , life , miracles , ministry , death and suffering , resurrection and ascension to Gods right hand where he is now
the prophets simply are a witness ofnchrirt as the law is and Moses gave the law and Elijah was the chief prophet of God who also figures Christ when he raised the dead to
Life
this is what I’m saying this is a direct reference from John from the prophet zechariahs prophecy of the two witnesses
“These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
Revelation 11:4
it comes from this
“And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
Zechariah 4:2-3, 10-11, 13-14 KJV
so we both I think agree the gospel is where to look to see the God of the whole earth
“But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.
And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elijah: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.”
Luke 9:27, 29-31 KJV
to me that’s pretty convincing you see John didn’t see the olive trees , he just references what zechariah saw 🙂 John is giving apocalypse of prior scripture in his vision and there are two in the Bible that I’m aware of standing by the God of the earth in the glory of the kingdom.
To Me , it’s sort of clear when we look at their ministries of shutting the skies of rain for 3 and a half years(elijah) and water to blood and plagues (Moses. )
versus Enoch didn’t die and was the seventh son ect I’ve always looked at Enoch as one more prophetic figure pointing to Christ like the entire law and prophets do they are witnessing Christ through prophets and figures from eves lromose forward
given the fact Enoch prophesied Christs coming it’s been a figure in my head like isaac was when he was offered and left alive from the sacrifice , or like the Passover lamb was , or the sin sacrifice or all The prophets who foretold Jesus birth , life , miracles , ministry , death and suffering , resurrection and ascension to Gods right hand where he is now
the prophets simply are a witness ofnchrirt as the law is and Moses gave the law and Elijah was the chief prophet of God who also figures Christ when he raised the dead to
Life
Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus on the Mount, which i always assumed were the Two Anointed Ones.
This does not, by itself, certify that they are the Two Witnesses and/or the Two Anointed Ones from Zechariah.
However, i currently see Enoch over Moses and for Scriptural Reasons, not personal.
Enoch easily can be one of the Two Anointed Ones and/or Witnesses.
This does not, by itself, certify that they are the Two Witnesses and/or the Two Anointed Ones from Zechariah.
However, i currently see Enoch over Moses and for Scriptural Reasons, not personal.
Enoch easily can be one of the Two Anointed Ones and/or Witnesses.
yeah but the two witnesses are in johns “revelation “ are standing by Jesus
see there’s a lot more to
It I had assumed you would recognize it and didn’t want to string longer posts than I already have
but the same figures can be found from revelation for for every paragraph on revelation thereforth . I think because I’m learning that it’s ac tally an apocalypse rather than a predictive earthly book I’m pretty convinced the answer is written and we’re given in johns vision the references to every part of johns vision because what John is seeing is a condemned revelatory vision of the “ story “ thats in the Bible
I think the understanding of what an apocalypse actually is is why I’m seeing it like I do
see there’s a lot more to
It I had assumed you would recognize it and didn’t want to string longer posts than I already have
but the same figures can be found from revelation for for every paragraph on revelation thereforth . I think because I’m learning that it’s ac tally an apocalypse rather than a predictive earthly book I’m pretty convinced the answer is written and we’re given in johns vision the references to every part of johns vision because what John is seeing is a condemned revelatory vision of the “ story “ thats in the Bible
I think the understanding of what an apocalypse actually is is why I’m seeing it like I do
yes I’d never close off myself either I just am compelled to stick with the new understanding I have been seeing of the book of revelation o think it’s opening up sommich for me myself , I was hoping you would test my theory with me
and see if we could together go scripture by scripture maybe not this thread but go through revelation from chapter 4 on and see if johns vision of glory is actually something other than what is traditionally perceived through intellect and theology and established thought
and see if we could together go scripture by scripture maybe not this thread but go through revelation from chapter 4 on and see if johns vision of glory is actually something other than what is traditionally perceived through intellect and theology and established thought
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Key point you made - and Enoch walked with God(standing beside Him) and he was not for God took Him...........
WHY did God take Him - for he had this testimony, that he pleased God......
There is no higher testimony then that one. Only our Lord is higher(testimony of pleasing God) because he never sinned and becuae he is the Word who is God from the Beginning.....
WHY did God take Him - for he had this testimony, that he pleased God......
There is no higher testimony then that one. Only our Lord is higher(testimony of pleasing God) because he never sinned and becuae he is the Word who is God from the Beginning.....
