The 10 Commandments

[Truth7t7]

If you follow Christ, and not your own ideas, then you follow scripture for Christ is in scripture.

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Exodus 34: 21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

Luke 6:5KJV
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

John 14:15KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:2-3KJV
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:2-3KJV
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Ogom]

If you follow Christ, and not your own ideas, then you follow scripture for Christ is in scripture.

Genesis 2:2
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

Exodus 34: 21 “Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

Deuteronomy 4:6

“Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.”

King James Version (KJV)

 

[Ogom]

If you give one day through and through, completely to the Lord, do you honestly believe it matters to God which day you choose?

there could be a reason for the seventh that we do no understand.

 

[Duskey]

I choose the Lords Sabbath over Constatines Sunday, yes I believe it matters to honor this day

Has the secular world built society around Constatines Sunday?

Absolutely, government buildings are closed, business hours are shorter, all in recognition to Sunday

Many states still have (blue laws) on the books

Many non biblical observance has entered the church by way of Rome, Easter, Christmas, and Sunday

Is it ok if I choose the Sabbath, is it ok to voice Gods instruction concerning his Sabbath?

Wikipedia: Blue laws, also known as Sunday laws, are laws designed to restrict or ban some or all Sunday activities for religious or secular reasons, particularly to promote the observance of a day of worship or rest. Blue laws may also restrict shopping or ban sale of certain items on specific days, most often on Sundays in the western world. Blue laws are enforced in parts of the United States and Canada as well as some European countries, particularly in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, and Norway, keeping most stores closed on Sundays.

The very first known law regarding prohibition of Sunday labor for religious reasons was in 321 AD, by Emperor Constantine.[5]

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On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.​

— Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3​

Like I said, I’m happy for you.

 

[laymen]

So your saved by Faith plus works?

james 2:18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”

 

[laymen]

If you give one day through and through, completely to the Lord, do you honestly believe it matters to God which day you choose?

Yes. God would not of made the 7th day had he not wanted it to be seen as holy.

 

[laymen]

Not corrected at all. Colossians 2 certainly does have something to say about the 4th Commandment and I have no interest in your SDA propaganda.

Colossians 2:16 is not merely talking about "ceremonial sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint. Paul's reasoning is obvious.

Let no one judge you regarding a, festival (yearly sabbaths), a new moon (monthly sabbaths) or a sabbath day (weekly sabbath - or sabbath days)." CHRIST is the "substance" and these things are the shadows. In Galatians 4:9 an obvious connection in Paul's teaching is revealed: "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years."

Verse 10 states, "you observe...", days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "sabbath days in Colossians 2) months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Colossians 2) seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Colossians 2) and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee).

*Paul is clearing speaking about the observances of all Jewish holy days, including the weekly sabbath.

You posted this a hour after the tread you respond to, tells me you did not even watch them.

 

[laymen]

That simple, huh? You still have not explained to me exactly how you keep the sabbath day and you still have not shown me under the new covenant where Christians are commanded to keep the sabbath. So you assume that whenever the Bible mentions "commandments" in the New Testament is always refers to the 10 commandments under the law of Moses?

Since the old covenant law has been made obsolete, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. God made obsolete the old covenant to legally put into place the new covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13) The life of discipleship flows out of the new command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ." (Galatians 6:2) Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10) and out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments which are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7; James 5:12
4. Keep the sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

The best way to interpret the meaning of John's writings is to compare them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Rev. 14:12 is entole which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." 20 The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. For example:

Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3)

Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are: Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)

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From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

1. To believe in Jesus Christ
2. To love one another

What are the "Commandments of God"? The whole teaching of Adventists regarding the Mark of the Beast centers on Revelation 14:12 which says that those who have the "commandments of God" do not receive the mark. Adventists claim that this passage is referring to the Ten Commandments, and Sunday-keepers cannot be keeping the Ten Commandments because the Fourth Commandment instructs worship on Saturday.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., 2 Th 2:11). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.

 

[Truth7t7]

Like I said, I’m happy for you.

Thanks, It Means So Much

 

[Blik]

there could be a reason for the seventh that we do no understand.

Especially in the old testament, they were told to do things without a full explanation of why they were to do them. They were to even to use animal blood for a symbol of Christ, but they weren't told about Christ, only that God gave blood on the altar. Even that is a rather obscure scripture.

We are not told all about the kingdom of heavebn, it is beyond our understanding. We are only to trust when the Lord tells us something is for our benefit to do certain things.

People often tell us that doing some things God suggests, like doing what God tells us about the Sabbath, won't save them. And it is true, their salvation is apart from these things. But being great in the Kingdom of Heaven is achieved. It is how we will live in eternity.

 

[mailmandan]

Keeping the Sabbath dosent save,Duskey is correct

At least you have that right.

 

[mailmandan]

james 2:18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”

In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!

James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

 

[mailmandan]

You need to get your facts straight and not falsely accuse. No Christian says it is obedience to law that results in salvation and your false accusation labels you as acting in a most unchristian way.

If a Christian points out that the ten commandments do much to explain the spirit of the law, they are not purely the letter of the law, that does not mean that they believe in the letter of the law as you, in a very unchristian like way, are saying.

You are flaunting the ways of the lord with your false accusations. Bearing false witness is against both the commandments written in stone and commandments written in our hearts.

No "Christian" says it's obedience to law that results in salvation, but there are "nominal" Christians who teach that. My facts are straight and it's you who needs to get your facts straight before you slander me. There are false teachers who teach that it is obedience to law that results in salvation and even teach "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works" as I have already pointed out, but that does not mean I'm painting all sabbatarians with a broad brush of teaching that.

 

[mailmandan]

Those who kept the Sabbath and New Moons were judged in Colossians below, it was written in support of the Sabbath keepers.

Paul identifies the sabbath as a "shadow" along with food and drink, a festival or a new moon. (Colossians 2:16–17) The sabbath points to Christ and is fulfilled in him. The word for “shadow” that Paul uses to describe the sabbath is the same term the author of Hebrews used to describe Old Testament sacrifices. The law is only a "shadow" of the good things to come and not the very image of the things. (Hebrews 10:1)

The Sabbath and New Moons are (Eternal) a shadow of things to come, if you plan on being in the Eternal kingdom, better get use to the Lords Sabbath

I will absolutely get used to worshipping the Lord for all eternity, but I will not get used to clinging to Old Testament shadows when I have the fulfillment of these shadows, the substance, which is of Christ.

Colossians 2:6-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Shadows are not the body or substance.

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This simply teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In the new heaven and new earth, we read there we will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25). How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? New moons require night, hence sabbatarians have night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night, so your argument is moot. The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Will there be Levitical priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will be observing the weekly sabbath day and new moons in the new heaven and new earth, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. *The old and new covenants do not mix.”

 

[mailmandan]

You posted this a hour after the tread you respond to, tells me you did not even watch them.

These are not the first set of videos that WithinReason has posted on Christian Chat promoting the false teachings of the SDA church. This is also not my first rodeo with SDA's. I've had numerous discussions with SDA's on multiple Christian forums over the years in regards to sabbath keeping and I already know what they teach in regards to Colossians 2:16-17, so spare me the rebuke.

 

[mailmandan]

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

I am sure God will be so proud of you and tell you how awesome you were to be so righteous he must let you into heaven

Some people just cannot seem to find their way home from the old covenant plantation.

 

[infinitekhanol]

The OP was a setup to push her ideology and she was called out on it. Explain exactly where and how I distorted Scripture.

How do you know it is a set up? why make such assumptions?

 

[Blik]

At least you have that right.

Do you think that all scripture telling us of ways to be great in the kingdom of heaven should be tossed out, for they don't save? In other words, you don't want the Lord to speak to you about anything that doesn't result in God repaying you with salvation.

 

[infinitekhanol]

Now his stupidity makes sense. Got it!

You do not have to to use cause words to make your point!!- as a Christian

 

[Blik]

Some people just cannot seem to find their way home from the old covenant plantation.

Do you really believe that God made a grave error when God gave us the old covenant, that it isn't that parts of it are obsolete but cancelled? Maybe you consider yourself superior to God, so you can tell God what he should have done instead of giving the old covenant.