The 10 Commandments
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I'm still waiting for a sabbatarian to explain to me exactly how they "keep the sabbath" today under the new covenant. What exactly does that entail? Worship only on Saturday? Don't work on Saturday? 
What about all the rules and regulations that went along with keeping the sabbath in the Old Testament under the old covenant? (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) Disregard these commands or keep them too?
What about all the rules and regulations that went along with keeping the sabbath in the Old Testament under the old covenant? (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) Disregard these commands or keep them too?
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(Eternal Things) The Sabbath is a weekly thing, the New Moons a monthly thing, and the Feast of Tabernacles a yearly thing
Colossians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Colossians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
I'm still waiting for a sabbatarian to explain to me exactly how they "keep the sabbath" today under the new covenant. What exactly does that entail? Worship only on Saturday? Don't work on Saturday?
What about all the rules and regulations that went along with keeping the sabbath in the Old Testament under the old covenant? (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) Disregard these commands or keep them too?
What about all the rules and regulations that went along with keeping the sabbath in the Old Testament under the old covenant? (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) Disregard these commands or keep them too?
I think you have a mixed up idea of the rules and regulations given in stone with the ten commandments. We are never to disregard anything our holy God tells us, but to learn from it. What God gives us is always good, not to be drug through the dirt of fleshly minds. The good of the ten commandments is that they are ways to express love. The improved commandments is to obey the spirit of the law, and by doing that it is an improved way of obedience. It was possible to obey the letter of the law, under the old covenant, and disobey the spirit of the law. We have an improved and more accurate way of learning the law. But to condemn the Lord for giving us something like the ten commandments because there is an improved way of giving those commandments is something we should not do.
I believe all the commands that I quoted from scripture in post #142 under the old covenant for Israel to keep the sabbath. I just don’t believe it’s binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)
How can keeping the sabbath day under the law benefit a New Testament believer? It looks like once again I have received no answer. Malign you? Like you did to me in post #106?
How can keeping the sabbath day under the law benefit a New Testament believer? It looks like once again I have received no answer. Malign you? Like you did to me in post #106?
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COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS:
The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods sabbath day. Its also their biggy to eat their piggy. But what is Col.2{16} really talking about. Let scripture interpret scripture.
EZEKIEL 45 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and MEAT offerings, and DRINK offerings, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Heres a scripture, same exact order as Col.2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, sabbaths. Talkin bout the same thing Mailman?
The above scripture is used by the “many” to distance themselves from Gods sabbath day. Its also their biggy to eat their piggy. But what is Col.2{16} really talking about. Let scripture interpret scripture.
EZEKIEL 45 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and MEAT offerings, and DRINK offerings, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.
Heres a scripture, same exact order as Col.2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, sabbaths. Talkin bout the same thing Mailman?
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How can any of what the Lord tells us is a good way to live actually be a good way to live?
You speak of "under the law" as if there is a choice to listen and learn from the law and not listen to the law. That is, in no way, what it means. If you are under the law then you are saved by obeying the law, and this is not the way it is. But if you think that being under grace means to thumb you nose at God's laws you are sadly mistaken.
Keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with our salvation, Paul even told us that some people believe every day is the same. every day is for the Lord. They live for the Lord just as those who believed that it is good to consider the Sabbath a day God made holy. But I can't see how anyone can say that following what God tells us to do is not a good thing that has benefits for us. The Sabbath is made for man. God does not need us to believe in it, and how we treat it is not for the day's benefit. Man isn't made to serve the Sabbath. But we can't say that following God has no benefits, it does.
You speak of "under the law" as if there is a choice to listen and learn from the law and not listen to the law. That is, in no way, what it means. If you are under the law then you are saved by obeying the law, and this is not the way it is. But if you think that being under grace means to thumb you nose at God's laws you are sadly mistaken.
Keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with our salvation, Paul even told us that some people believe every day is the same. every day is for the Lord. They live for the Lord just as those who believed that it is good to consider the Sabbath a day God made holy. But I can't see how anyone can say that following what God tells us to do is not a good thing that has benefits for us. The Sabbath is made for man. God does not need us to believe in it, and how we treat it is not for the day's benefit. Man isn't made to serve the Sabbath. But we can't say that following God has no benefits, it does.
We are to let all others choose their own way to live, we have no right to judge them for their choice. But we can judge whether the Lord tells us to do something or whether the Lord tells us not to do it.
I could never understand why the people who quote this always do it to justify not doing something, but reserve the right to fudge the people who are obedient to a command. They even usually reserve the right to condemn anyone for quoting the Lord's command, insisting it is a one way street. They say they can judge, just that others shouldn't judge.
I could never understand why the people who quote this always do it to justify not doing something, but reserve the right to fudge the people who are obedient to a command. They even usually reserve the right to condemn anyone for quoting the Lord's command, insisting it is a one way street. They say they can judge, just that others shouldn't judge.
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I answered his question about how it benefits us to obey the Lord in #149.
As far as his personal question about my personal life, OK, here it is. I am 96 and in a wheelchair. I live in an assisted living facility. I cannot get to church. However, when I could I went to Sunday worship, it is when my church held services. Just before I became crippled I found a church with Saturday services so I went there, although the people I loved were at my old church so I was torn. Now, I am careful to treat Saturday as the day the Lord especially blesses.
As far as his personal question about my personal life, OK, here it is. I am 96 and in a wheelchair. I live in an assisted living facility. I cannot get to church. However, when I could I went to Sunday worship, it is when my church held services. Just before I became crippled I found a church with Saturday services so I went there, although the people I loved were at my old church so I was torn. Now, I am careful to treat Saturday as the day the Lord especially blesses.
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Thanks, It Means So Much
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