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No, DorothyMae.......the contrast of Judas and Peter is an excellent example of how all that are “lost” NEVER believed; and some may deny Christ when their faith is being sifted as wheat by Satan but, Jesus prayed for Peter and us that our faith in Jesus will NOT FAIL us and after we are tested and tried we are to strengthen our brethren. 
Jesus never promised he’s praying so you don’t fall away. I know you believe it. Why didn’t he tell ALL of them that he was praying for them equally too?
Let me ask you another question. If all of them knew they would go to heaven no matter if they deny him before others or fail to endure, why were there martyrs? Why endure that horrible suffering when you can simply do whatever your tormentors want as you know you’re saved no matter what? (Jesus actually says he who endures will he saved, but we’ll ignore that warning for now.)
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It is actually rather humorous and sad....they claim Judas was saved and lost it even though by the words of Christ it is obvious he was not.....Jesus even calls him a devil in the present tense using a "BE" verb and states HE WAS NOT CLEAN and the workers for which constantly harp on works proving salvation say a unclean thief called a devil was saved.....just one of their many contradictions.
Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"
Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"
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The devil can never gain access to my heart.
But he can and does enter the mind....he drove me crazy as a new babe.....by far and stronger was the Holy Spirit who was and is in my Heart.
One thing for sure he will never take my belief of OSAS again......those thoughts he placed in my mind,the Lord has kicked him out of my mind in that area.......Hallelujah Praise God!!
But he can and does enter the mind....he drove me crazy as a new babe.....by far and stronger was the Holy Spirit who was and is in my Heart.
One thing for sure he will never take my belief of OSAS again......those thoughts he placed in my mind,the Lord has kicked him out of my mind in that area.......Hallelujah Praise God!!
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When are you going to realize that we are telling you the truth.
The people who fell away, only had HEAD KNOWLEDGE about HIM, that is the same faith as demons have. MARK 5:6-13
WE who are Born Again, have HEART KNOWLEDGE and have surrendered to HIM in our Heart (Human Spirit).
Like the saying goes: The distance between being UNSAVED and a SAVED, BORN AGAIN BELIEVER is only 18 inches, the same distance as the HUMAN BRAIN is from the HUMAN HEART where the Human Spirit is.
THUS THIS VERSE IS ABSOLUTELY 100% TRUE.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
JESUS PREACHED to two kinds of Disciples. SAVED DISCIPLES, and UNSAVED DISCIPLES who could eventually become TRUE BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS. The ONLY ONES THAT EVER FELL AWAY were the UNSAVED DISCIPLES.
John 3:3 (HCSB)
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
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Rosemary, I find t hard to believe that just because I believe salvation can be lost in time, you think God needs to grant us mercy and we’re horribly deceived. I don’t think God needs to grant you mercy and you’re doomed.
If a believer thinks they are heaven bound no matter what they do but still follows Jesus their whole life, great!
If a believer thinks they are heaven bound no matter what they do and starts to live a life of sin, and they are wrong, very bad.
If a believer thinks that while they are saved they need to
continue in the faith their whole life but we’re wrong, no problem.
If a believer thinks that while they are saved they need to continue in the faith but are right, good thing.
The only bad outcome is for the OSAS believer who was wrong and neglected their salvation until it didn’t exist anymore.
If a believer thinks they are heaven bound no matter what they do but still follows Jesus their whole life, great!
If a believer thinks they are heaven bound no matter what they do and starts to live a life of sin, and they are wrong, very bad.
If a believer thinks that while they are saved they need to
continue in the faith their whole life but we’re wrong, no problem.
If a believer thinks that while they are saved they need to continue in the faith but are right, good thing.
The only bad outcome is for the OSAS believer who was wrong and neglected their salvation until it didn’t exist anymore.
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