Not By Works

[jackrosie]

Will it end in death? Can you continually be disobedient?

No and No?..I believe the Lords discipline for his children would be enough....plus we have our helper the Holy Spirit?

 

[dcontroversal]

Glad you swing your sword brother , because sometimes I can barely lift mine up...
How do they not see this? , I just cannot work it out...
I say Judas was a latch on , she comes against me as if she sticking up for Judas...
...xox...

Rose, my dear friend and sister, they absolutely MUST SKEW truth to keep the people in bondage. No different than ALL RELIGIONS from the past. Just like the Pharisees and Lawyers of Jesus' day....they BIND the hands and hearts of men down to their religions that take them straight to hell. The scriptures are CLEAR on JUDAS, YET WE ALL SEE how they deny, twist and attempt to use him, just like the "CANDLESTICK" statement above, to peddle a losable salvation MAINTAINED BY MAN.....it is satanic, false, contrary to the truth and should sicken and infuriate ALL that know the truth......

 

[jackrosie]

1John :4

God’s Love and Ours.

Dear friends,let us love one another,for love comes from God.
Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
Whoever does not love does not know God.because God is love.
This is how God showed his love among us.
He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
This is love:not that we loved God,but that he loved us and sent his son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
Dear friends,since God so loved us,we also ought to love one another,God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.
We know that we live in him and he in us,because he has given us his Spirit.
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Saviour of the world.
If anyone acknowledges,that Jesus is the Son of God.
God lives in him and he in God.
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love.
Whoever lives in Love lives in God and God in him.
In this way,Love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgement,because in this world we are like him.
There is no fear in love.
But perfect love drives out fear,because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
We love because he first loved us.
If anyone says,I love God,yet hates his brother,he is a liar.
For anyone who does not love his brother,whom he has seen,cannot love God,whom he has not seen.
And he has given us this command:
Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Rose, my dear friend and sister, they absolutely MUST SKEW truth to keep the people in bondage. No different than ALL RELIGIONS from the past. Just like the Pharisees and Lawyers of Jesus' day....they BIND the hands and hearts of men down to their religions that take them straight to hell. The scriptures are CLEAR on JUDAS, YET WE ALL SEE how they deny, twist and attempt to use him, just like the "CANDLESTICK" statement above, to peddle a losable salvation MAINTAINED BY MAN.....it is satanic, false, contrary to the truth and should sicken and infuriate ALL that know the truth......

To be honest , I have just come to learn about how they mention Judas , never knew about the candlestick line , will look into that...
How can they have such wickedness in their hearts to twist such things , to twist Gods words , it is so sad , I believe my eyes are being opened to such things , but I do not get their motive ...

Something is not sitting right in me , but I just don`t have the understanding yet , hence why my sword is low , I can only speak when God has written His word on my heart , then Ii know that I can stand on it , but for now , I just cannot fathom how or why people are hell bent on bringing the Word down to make it say what it does not say , it is hurting my heart if the truth be known...
...xox...

 

[Magenta]

Judas cast out demons and healed the sick. That’s not superficial. He changed his mind for money. Happens.

Can you provide a Scripture verse that plainly shows Judas doing these things, as opposed to him simply being sent out with the others for that purpose? And even if he had done those things, Jesus says Judas was unclean, and called Judas a son of perdition which means he was damned/doomed to destruction. You believe Judas was cleansed and then changed his mind, but Scripture does not bear this out.

"I never knew you (as one of my own)" would apply here

 

[dcontroversal]

No and No?..I believe the Lords discipline for his children would be enough....plus we have our helper the Holy Spirit?

Exactly....he shames us through blessing, he chastens and whips us, he removes and takes blessings, he may use disease as evidenced by David, the death of children etc.....and may even take us home early!

All of the above are seen through scripture....the big difference is the covenant we are under....a covenant of GRACE!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No and No?..I believe the Lords discipline for his children would be enough....plus we have our helper the Holy Spirit?

Amen. That’s why John said whoever sins has never seen god that born of god can not sin

 

[dcontroversal]

To be honest , I have just come to learn about how they mention Judas , never knew about the candlestick line , will look into that...
How can they have such wickedness in their hearts to twist such things , to twist Gods words , it is so sad , I believe my eyes are being opened to such things , but I do not get their motive ...

Something is not sitting right in me , but I just don`t have the understanding yet , hence why my sword is low , I can only speak when God has written His word on my heart , then Ii know that I can stand on it , but for now , I just cannot fathom how or why people are hell bent on bringing the Word down to make it say what it does not say , it is hurting my heart if the truth be known...
...xox...

Ignorance, control, power, greed, controlled by enemy, pride etc. all have played a part in why they do what they do!

 

[dcontroversal]

Can you provide a Scripture verse that plainly shows Judas doing these things, as opposed to him simply being sent out with the others for that purpose? And even if he had done those things, Jesus says Judas was unclean, and called Judas a son of perdition which means he was damned/doomed to destruction. You believe Judas was cleansed and then changed his mind, but Scripture does not bear this out.

"I never knew you (as one of my own)" would apply here

Amen......Judas was never saved and then lost it.....a devil from the beginning and THE SON OF PERDITION.....the definite article "THE" SPEAKS VOLUMES!

 

[Rosemaryx]

Ignorance, control, power, greed, controlled by enemy, pride etc. all have played a part in why they do what they do!

I was just thinking also...
Maybe they believe they can lose their Salvation because they actually believe that Judas was once saved , just a thought...
...xox...

 

[Magenta]

I was just thinking also...
Maybe they believe they can lose their Salvation because they actually believe that Judas was once saved , just a thought...
...xox...

It does puzzle me why anyone would think Judas was ever saved

The topic/idea does come up from time to time; I have stood against it repeatedly.

 

[Rosemaryx]

It does puzzle me why anyone would think Judas was ever saved

Exactly , especially when our Lord tells us he was from Satan ...
...xox...

 

[Magenta]

Exactly , especially when our Lord tells us he was from Satan ...
...xox...

Well, Jesus also refers to Peter as Satan (pre-crucifixion), but the difference is, Peter's repentance of his opposition to God's plan was unto salvation, whereas Judas' repentance (as some call his suicide) was not.

 

[dcontroversal]

I was just thinking also...
Maybe they believe they can lose their Salvation because they actually believe that Judas was once saved , just a thought...
...xox...

Maybe, but when the dust settles....deceived is the word!

 

[Rosemaryx]

Well, Jesus also refers to Peter as Satan (pre-crucifixion), but the difference is, Peter's repentance was unto salvation whereas Judas' repentance (as some call his suicide) was not.

Yes I agree...
Peter was so heartbroken that he betrayed our Lord , I have pictured him in my mind and tried to see him with my eyes , I feel his pain because even when I do the slightest thing against Gods way , it breaks me to tears , and I am truly sorry towards God...

Peter had a godly sorrow , Judas had a worldly sorrow , big difference...
...xox...

 

[Rosemaryx]

Maybe, but when the dust settles....deceived is the word!

Yes I agree , because if they are blind to these simple truths , then there is no chance of them seeing the whole truth , and may God have mercy and bring them to His truth , because other wise , has Satan not blinded their eyes?
...xox...

 

[PennEd]

Judas cast out demons and healed the sick. That’s not superficial. He changed his mind for money. Happens.

Judas, Who cast out demons, and healed the sick, like the guys in this passage, was NEVER born again. Jesus didn’t know Judas and these guys in the sense that they were never made new creations, with a new heart. Jesus says so Himself:
Matthew 7
22 Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I NEVER knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Not that He knew them at one time, they did, or didn’t do something to cause them to no longer be His Child. THEY NEVER WERE!!

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes I agree , because if they are blind to these simple truths , then there is no chance of them seeing the whole truth , and may God have mercy and bring them to His truth , because other wise , has Satan not blinded their eyes?
...xox...

Yes indeed....blinded and deceived!

 

[SoulWeaver]

Judas, Who cast out demons, and healed the sick, like the guys in this passage, was NEVER born again. Jesus didn’t know Judas and these guys in the sense that they were never made new creations, with a new heart. Jesus says so Himself:
Matthew 7
22 Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I NEVER knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Not that He knew them at one time, they did, or didn’t do something to cause them to no longer be His Child. THEY NEVER WERE!!

A lot of people are convinced that Judas was a believer who at some point stopped believing. But in here Jesus speaks about Judas, that he wasn't a believer from the start. He doesn't say the name but it's clear that it's about him:

John 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

I find this hard to argue. Continuing in the next verse, Jesus expounds on election, confirming for us that Judas wasn't one of the elect.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Judas was not given.

 

[EternalFire]

May we persevere and ensure salvation both for our self and for those who hear us.

"Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you" (1 Timothy 4:16).