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The word of God is not pigeonholed to Israel; it is for all partakers of this life.
That’s like saying Jesus’s words about going to prepare a place for you is not directed towards all believers but only His twelve disciples. Therefore we will not be with Jesus when we die. Is that your point of you?
That’s like saying Jesus’s words about going to prepare a place for you is not directed towards all believers but only His twelve disciples. Therefore we will not be with Jesus when we die. Is that your point of you?
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am i wrong to infer from how you repeat this, that you believe only people who have intrinsically have 'a good and noble heart' before hearing the gospel are saved? that you consider 'a good and noble heart' to be a quality that all truly saved people have? no one without a 'good and noble heart' can be saved?
is anyone with 'a good and noble heart' unsaved, at the end of things?
how does a person come to have a 'good and noble heart' -- is this something a person is born with, out of their own control? or is it something a person can achieve for themselves, by effort or hap?
this is a very interesting turn of phrase you use, to me
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is anyone with 'a good and noble heart' unsaved, at the end of things?
how does a person come to have a 'good and noble heart' -- is this something a person is born with, out of their own control? or is it something a person can achieve for themselves, by effort or hap?
this is a very interesting turn of phrase you use, to me
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Doubt is not unbelief.
'Believing' means 'trusting'.
Doubts can cross your mind about whether God and Jesus really exist, all the while you continue to trust in the gospel message.
But you can not decide to not trust in them and continue to trust in them.
There's a big difference between doubting and outright unbelief and rejection of the gospel.
Unbelief is what will cause you forfeit the promises you have received.
'Believing' means 'trusting'.
Doubts can cross your mind about whether God and Jesus really exist, all the while you continue to trust in the gospel message.
But you can not decide to not trust in them and continue to trust in them.
There's a big difference between doubting and outright unbelief and rejection of the gospel.
Unbelief is what will cause you forfeit the promises you have received.
You infer wrong. I did not say that.
Even not so good and noble soil can be believing, saved soil.
Jesus called it believing soil in the Parable of the Sower.
(But surely it does not exclude the person who didn't really believe).
The good and noble heart is the one that Jesus says perseveres in the word and does not fall away.
Good heavens, no, lol!
Look around you.
Look in the mirror, perhaps!
(I'm talking to me, too, you know).
Yes, a person with a less than 'good and noble heart' can be saved.
But they will surely be the ones who struggle more, and are less prepared to persevere in the word and continue in the salvation they have received.
I don't know.
I just know Jesus referred to that soil as the one who persevered in the word in fruitfulness.
That's why I say only that kind of person can begin to make any kind of claim to not being able to fall away and lose their salvation.
So that pretty much excludes 95% of us from claiming osas status.
I suppose someone could be born again right off the bat that way.
But more likely, it depends on what preparatory things happened before they were saved that determines if they are born again into a good and noble heart.
I know people who had quit smoking the day they were born again.
I know people who said it took a long time to quit after they were born again.
I realized after much thought that what a person endures prior to their conversion makes it so they could stop sinning on the day they were saved. Some have to go through those things after they are born again.
God is the husbandman. He knows how to bring any one plot of ground to the fruition it is capable of producing.
The soil can't do it by itself.
But at the same time, the soil has to have an inherent potential to be fruitful.
God is the one who brings any plot of soil to the status of 'good and noble'.....assuming it has that potential to begin with.
And that work often begins before conversion.
Even not so good and noble soil can be believing, saved soil.
Jesus called it believing soil in the Parable of the Sower.
(But surely it does not exclude the person who didn't really believe).
The good and noble heart is the one that Jesus says perseveres in the word and does not fall away.
Good heavens, no, lol!
Look around you.
Look in the mirror, perhaps!
(I'm talking to me, too, you know).
Yes, a person with a less than 'good and noble heart' can be saved.
But they will surely be the ones who struggle more, and are less prepared to persevere in the word and continue in the salvation they have received.
I don't know.
I just know Jesus referred to that soil as the one who persevered in the word in fruitfulness.
That's why I say only that kind of person can begin to make any kind of claim to not being able to fall away and lose their salvation.
So that pretty much excludes 95% of us from claiming osas status.
I suppose someone could be born again right off the bat that way.
But more likely, it depends on what preparatory things happened before they were saved that determines if they are born again into a good and noble heart.
I know people who had quit smoking the day they were born again.
I know people who said it took a long time to quit after they were born again.
I realized after much thought that what a person endures prior to their conversion makes it so they could stop sinning on the day they were saved. Some have to go through those things after they are born again.
God is the husbandman. He knows how to bring any one plot of ground to the fruition it is capable of producing.
The soil can't do it by itself.
But at the same time, the soil has to have an inherent potential to be fruitful.
God is the one who brings any plot of soil to the status of 'good and noble'.....assuming it has that potential to begin with.
And that work often begins before conversion.
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The simple part of the Good News is God through His Son Jesus Christ has given those who Accept, profess with their mouth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior and from that moment on, they are "sealed" with the Holy Spirit and are saved, though no works of their own. No one can take away what God has done for eternal life. No works, no holding on, no anything by any human. The work was done through the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Lord. Any other "gospel" preached is false.
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so, your friend, who didn't have a good and noble heart, may indeed be saved.
this sheep, who wandered, if he or she is one that the Father gave to the Son, He will indeed find them, and carry them back home on His shoulder -- and He will rejoice.
wouldn't you agree?
because He will not lose one of those the Father has given?
this sheep, who wandered, if he or she is one that the Father gave to the Son, He will indeed find them, and carry them back home on His shoulder -- and He will rejoice.
wouldn't you agree?
because He will not lose one of those the Father has given?
‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.' - Matthew 18:32
Why is this not clear to you?
This removes any doubt about what the complete conversation was that they had in vs. 26-27.
Stop letting osas stop you from seeing the plain words of scripture.
You're straining to make the Bible fit into your osas doctrine.
Just let the Bible say what it says.
Why is this not clear to you?
This removes any doubt about what the complete conversation was that they had in vs. 26-27.
Stop letting osas stop you from seeing the plain words of scripture.
You're straining to make the Bible fit into your osas doctrine.
Just let the Bible say what it says.
No, I don't agree.
I don't know that.
They are not lost on account of Jesus' ministry being somehow inadequate. They made a conscious choice to depart a perfectly efficacious ministry. He did not 'lose' them like a doctor loses a patient he has been working feverishly to save but can't despite his best efforts to do so. No, this 'patient' pulled the cord out on their own life support. That's not the doctor losing a patient out of some kind of fault in his ability to save.
I don't know that.
They are not lost on account of Jesus' ministry being somehow inadequate. They made a conscious choice to depart a perfectly efficacious ministry. He did not 'lose' them like a doctor loses a patient he has been working feverishly to save but can't despite his best efforts to do so. No, this 'patient' pulled the cord out on their own life support. That's not the doctor losing a patient out of some kind of fault in his ability to save.