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dcontroversal said:
yeah seems suspect.....especially since one lost is dead in sin and one saved is in grace and the spirit does not sin.......
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All the epistles warned believers about sin, not to be deceived by it. I guess they’re suspect too

And 1 John 3 is talking about two kinds of people not two parts of a believer as eleventh claims you have to really read into the text to say it’s talking about two parts of a believer. That is reading your ideas into the text
 
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No, I believe you and eleventh and Dcontroversal etc are saved. I never accused you of not being saved. Can’t be positive, but I would never say you’re not saved
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Like Paul....I know in whom I have beleived and am fully pursuaded he is able to keep that which I have committed to his against that day! Regardless of my besetting sins
 
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Discern said:
All the epistles warned believers about sin, not to be deceived by it. I guess they’re suspect too

And 1 John 3 is talking about two groups of people not two parts of a believer as eleventh claims you have to really read into the text to say it’s talking about two parts of a believer. That is reading your ideas into the text
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Depends which part of John.

And all sin is covered by the blood.
 
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The Bible clearly states that people can lose their salvation.
The apostle Paul warns Timothy about the dangers of making a shipwreck of his faith. (I Timothy 1:18-19)

In Hebrews 3:12-14 Christians are warned about the dangers of departing from the living God.

Hebrews 12:25 warns about turning away from the one who speaks from heaven!

II Peter 3:17 warns us about the dangers of being led away with the error of the wicked.

Heb 10:38 tells us "if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Pro 14:14 The backslider in heart will be filled with the fruit of his ways, and a good man will be filled with the fruit of his ways.

Jer 14:7 "our backslidings are many; we have sinned against you. Etc. etc.

Anyone who teaches differently from the Bible is a false teacher. People beware.
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False again Jesus devaluer....
 
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Of course it matters. Motive and intention means it was not a willful sin. And he Changed when more light was given

Willful sin is sinning against the light

Both sins, of course. But not both deliberate defiance against God
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99.9 percent of sin is willful.....and regardless.....sin is sin......! I am under grace, positioned in grace and said grace BOUNDS AHEAD OF MY SIN and covers it before I even sin......
 
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The Bible does not say to divorce your second wife and go back to the first, so no, you are not in adultery and yes you are saved. ( probably)

You cannot go back and fix everything, neither do you need to. Love your second wife. Your first marriage and divorce are covered, imo
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...did you see the "probably" @eternally-gratefull

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That’s called Effectual call.

Yet those dead in sin do chose to reject Christ. Being dead does not mean inability to reject No one teaches that
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Yeah I disagree......they are without excuse dia Romans 1, yet.....HOW SHALL THEY KNOW EXCEPT ONE BE SENT....without excuse that God is is the indication, but to be saved they MUST HEAR THE GOSPEL.....you seem to be conflating a few things!!
 
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Discern said:
All the epistles warned believers about sin, not to be deceived by it. I guess they’re suspect too

And 1 John 3 is talking about two kinds of people not two parts of a believer as eleventh claims you have to really read into the text to say it’s talking about two parts of a believer. That is reading your ideas into the text
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You really should quit comparing yourself to the apostles.....serious....they were inspired while several here question your motive to focus on sin......who are you really?
 
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Warching this impeachment facade......they (the left wing fools in charge and left wing commentators) remind me of the workers for and Cainologist salvation losers.....Twist, embellish, no facts, deceitful statements etc......all of the above sickens me.......a complete lack of honesty!
 
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Discern said:
He said he is living in adultery. I don’t know why he puts that on himself. Or why you gave him likes when he rebuked me for saying I don’t think he is in his circumstance

But if he believes that, what can I do?

I guess if it wins his argument, not divorcing your second wife or being celibate with her is adultery to You
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Why are you so intent on beating this subject around the table ? ? ?

No you do not compound one sin with another sin, YOU ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG, way back then.

And get on with life.
 
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99.9 percent of sin is willful.....and regardless.....sin is sin......! I am under grace, positioned in grace and said grace BOUNDS AHEAD OF MY SIN and covers it before I even sin......
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Correct. Doesn’t change what I said.
 
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Yeah I disagree......they are without excuse dia Romans 1, yet.....HOW SHALL THEY KNOW EXCEPT ONE BE SENT....without excuse that God is is the indication, but to be saved they MUST HEAR THE GOSPEL.....you seem to be conflating a few things!!
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Yes they must hear the gospel. Has nothing to do with what you’re replying to. Because everyone has received some light and sinned against it. So ok, they’re rejecting the light that has been given

Romans 3:1-23 agrees with my position.

Morality is not partial obedience. Not in Gods eyes. So moral unbelievers is an oxymoron if morality is based on Gods standard, not man’s. And it is
 
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