Thou shalt not kill

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SIMON55

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Is this still in play today after the cross? Who defines the undue taking of life? The adulterer was put to death under the OT.
The adulterer....is the walking dead under the NT....
"For say to you the adulterer etc etc etc etc.....shall no wise enter the kingdom of God.
 

SIMON55

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#82
The 'u' in your calculation was changed to a 'v'. Under the roman numerical system u has no value so therefore the sum is 661 and not 666.
They both have the same value......
No other entity but the Babylonian pagan RCC CAN MATCH ALL the requirements of Daniel 7 and global history combined....it is impossible
1260 yrs....Iron and clay mixed by Justinian decree....538
Head removed unto death 1798. Napoleon arrests pope places in exile till death.
Do as you like.
 

SIMON55

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#83
Have to read Daniel to know who the blasphemers and Antichrists are!!! Capture+_2019-03-11-18-28-01-1.png
 

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#84
They both have the same value......
No other entity but the Babylonian pagan RCC CAN MATCH ALL the requirements of Daniel 7 and global history combined....it is impossible
1260 yrs....Iron and clay mixed by Justinian decree....538
Head removed unto death 1798. Napoleon arrests pope places in exile till death.
Do as you like.
Found this on Google. No mention that the letter 'u' represents 5 or has any value whatsoever.

Roman numerals. Letters of the alphabet used in ancient Rome to represent numbers: I = 1; V = 5; X = 10; L = 50; C = 100; D = 500; M = 1000. The numbers one through ten are written I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, and X.
 

SIMON55

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Found this on Google. No mention that the letter 'u' represents 5 or has any value whatsoever.

Roman numerals. Letters of the alphabet used in ancient Rome to represent numbers: I = 1; V = 5; X = 10; L = 50; C = 100; D = 500; M = 1000. The numbers one through ten are written I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, and X.
As you wish.....times times and half times is 42 Hebrew luna mo. X 30=1260 years
A day unto the lord is a year unto man....
Numbers 40 days wandering
Dan 7 times times and halfx
Dan 8 .....23 days 2300 yr from transgressor taking away and making desolate
( 2nd advent )
Ezekiel lay on side 39 days
Jesus Christ Luke....you go tell that fox I do cures cast out demons today tommorrow the third day I will be perfected. 3 years

Like I said uv rays or no sun god pagan uv rays....

No other entity can match global iron and clay mixing in History.....it can't happen and you have to understand what Dan 8 says.....a king stands up by no power of his own after the gentiles come to full power Iron is the Roman empire....that was divided not conquered into ten horn kingdoms.....Justinian decree gave church and state power to the RCC little horn beast
They had 3 tribal king uprooted because they were christians that refused to follow the RCC
vandals
Ostrogoths
and another
They persecuted the saints 1260 years. They suffered a feadly wound to death to the head the pope
They recovered and have church state power still
Nation unto themself
United Nations
There is no other Iron Clay kingdom power mix
Iron=Rome Clay=Christianity
If you think you know something with a u and a v
Tell me who the Iron Clay mix is ???????
IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE......!!!!!!!!!
 

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#86
As you wish.....times times and half times is 42 Hebrew luna mo. X 30=1260 years
A day unto the lord is a year unto man....
Numbers 40 days wandering
Dan 7 times times and halfx
Dan 8 .....23 days 2300 yr from transgressor taking away and making desolate
( 2nd advent )
Ezekiel lay on side 39 days
Jesus Christ Luke....you go tell that fox I do cures cast out demons today tommorrow the third day I will be perfected. 3 years

Like I said uv rays or no sun god pagan uv rays....

No other entity can match global iron and clay mixing in History.....it can't happen and you have to understand what Dan 8 says.....a king stands up by no power of his own after the gentiles come to full power Iron is the Roman empire....that was divided not conquered into ten horn kingdoms.....Justinian decree gave church and state power to the RCC little horn beast
They had 3 tribal king uprooted because they were christians that refused to follow the RCC
vandals
Ostrogoths
and another
They persecuted the saints 1260 years. They suffered a feadly wound to death to the head the pope
They recovered and have church state power still
Nation unto themself
United Nations
There is no other Iron Clay kingdom power mix
Iron=Rome Clay=Christianity
If you think you know something with a u and a v
Tell me who the Iron Clay mix is ???????
IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE......!!!!!!!!!
I was just making the point that the numerical diagram you provided was inaccurate in its total. The bible is full of numbers and patterns of numbers, no question at all about that. Go in peace brother. :)
 
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I really don't believe that Jesus is a pacifist. There are a lot of specific things that are not taught in the bible but are inferred. That is why it Is best to pray for wisdom and knowledge and this adds up to common sense. The commandment is to not kill the context makes it clear that this pertains to murder and not self-defense.
You brother are wrong the verses go together like this...
Matthew 5:21-22
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You know what Jesus said about violence and your enemies? To LOVE THEM.

Matthew 5:43-44. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitfully use you, and persecute you;

If you think you getting away from judgement just because you change the word from kill to self defense you are extremely mistaken and this is an error. You still are killing someone. Love them that persecute you turn your cheek. Don’t repay evil with evil, overcome evil with love just like Jesus.
 
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Are there any exeptions to this commandment that would make it acceptable to taking ones life? I have received many different answers on this question.
No there is not. Matthew 5:43-48, Matthew 5:21-22. Love your enemies even if you are persecuted doing it.
 

SIMON55

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I was just making the point that the numerical diagram you provided was inaccurate in its total. The bible is full of numbers and patterns of numbers, no question at all about that. Go in peace brother. :)
I understand but I gave you a lot more good #'s to work with also.....if you want to watch a video with detailed global history facts breakdown matched to scripture then google
From Babylon to America
and review a school for prophets tv video....
The main thing is people can't just say this is that and that is this.....global history has to match prophecy exactly.
Because Nebudkenezzer dream interpretation by Daniel is the empires of the world.....and Daniel says
" after the little horn kingdom comes to power there will be no other empire untill the Kingdom of God comes.
So there hasnt been either all attempts by Charlemagne king of spain
The Muslim ottoman
Napoleon
Have all failed
The RCC is still a church state kingdom power as a nation of the UN
The second 2 horned beast of Rev. is the American Buffalo
The two horns represent seperation of church and state and founded on two christ like principles
All men being created equal
Freedom of worship.
 

Garydavid

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No there is not. Matthew 5:43-48, Matthew 5:21-22. Love your enemies even if you are persecuted doing it.
Now thats an answer that fits perfectly into the way Jesus lived and taught during His ministry on earth. The thing that bothers me the most is the responses from people concerning this question. Its scary. But anyways i do agree with you. May Jesus be with you and God bless...
 

SIMON55

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No there is not. Matthew 5:43-48, Matthew 5:21-22. Love your enemies even if you are persecuted doing it.
Oh....you gonna lovem so much while they rape and kill your daughters and wife.
Maybe you should tell them how dependable you are.
That you are so Jesus like thay you won't LAY DIWN YOUR LIFE WITH NO GREATER LOVE......like Jesus did.
 

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Check out what James says chapter 3:11-13

Those that kill by the sword shall be killed by the sword. God has been merciful to us, thus we can be merciful to others...Jesus wants all to come to repentence.

Also check out chapter 4 in James. People that have a lust problem, often end up killing others cos they think by killing others they can obtain what that other person has. Whether its a spouse or land or whatever. Why did Herod want to kill Jesus...cos Jesus was the Christ and King not Herod. Why did David kill Uriah because he wanted to have his wife Bathsheba. Why did Cain kill abel, well he didnt have abels righteousness.

Dig a bit deeper into why God gave this law. Why did Jesus not kill anyone during his time on earth? He could have easily done so. He could have sent the fire or called down fire from heaven right then and smitten all the unbelievers.

Paul said of those who preached Christ out of contention and those out of love...everyway, whether in pretence or in truth Christ is preached. Check out Phillipians. Also remember nobody can kill Jesus, they tried to once but that didnt work lol. And nobody can kill a christian that has eternal life either.

For the adverrsary, Jesus represents hell and perdition, but for the believer, he's salvation.
 
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Now thats an answer that fits perfectly into the way Jesus lived and taught during His ministry on earth. The thing that bothers me the most is the responses from people concerning this question. Its scary. But anyways i do agree with you. May Jesus be with you and God bless...
It is obvious that your mind was made up before you started this post.
Seems you would never lift a hand to defend yourself, your wife, your daughter, nor any other person if their life was threatened by an evil person.
That is very sad.

Please, never call police if you are threatened. They may kill some one defending you.
 

SIMON55

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It is obvious that your mind was made up before you started this post.
Seems you would never lift a hand to defend yourself, your wife, your daughter, nor any other person if their life was threatened by an evil person.
That is very sad.

Please, never call police if you are threatened. They may kill some one defending you.
It is sad....people that think like that try to paint Jesus as some kind of panzy and don't even realize they are talking about the same OT Gid that had them kill all the enmity Anaki seed that had corrupted the earth. Or that he said sell your cloak and buy daggers.
Or the strong man does not suffer his house to be broken into....
No greater love has he who lays down his life for his friends is the whole reason we have a nation and freedom in the world!
If left to cowards we would have nothing but our heads on the ground.😀
 

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You brother are wrong the verses go together like this...
Matthew 5:21-22
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You know what Jesus said about violence and your enemies? To LOVE THEM.

Matthew 5:43-44. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitfully use you, and persecute you;

If you think you getting away from judgement just because you change the word from kill to self defense you are extremely mistaken and this is an error. You still are killing someone. Love them that persecute you turn your cheek. Don’t repay evil with evil, overcome evil with love just like Jesus.
If someone ever attempts to assault my wife or harm my family I'm going to break his neck.
 
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If someone ever attempts to assault my wife or harm my family I'm going to break his neck.
I used to feel that way. But I got old so now I will just shoot them. A 45 leaves a very big ole.
 

SIMON55

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You brother are wrong the verses go together like this...
Matthew 5:21-22
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgement: but I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgement: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

You know what Jesus said about violence and your enemies? To LOVE THEM.

Matthew 5:43-44. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despitfully use you, and persecute you;

If you think you getting away from judgement just because you change the word from kill to self defense you are extremely mistaken and this is an error. You still are killing someone. Love them that persecute you turn your cheek. Don’t repay evil with evil, overcome evil with love just like Jesus.

You are Hilarious I am quite certain that home invaders are going to be overcome by your love while they rape and kill your daughters and wife.
They will be overcome with hysterical laughter at your cowardess.
You don't even know who Jesus is....he is the same as the OT God who said kill every man woman and child.
Your ate up by a few books.
 

SIMON55

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If someone ever attempts to assault my wife or harm my family I'm going to break his neck.
Lol....oh now now tourist that wouldn't be Jesus like !!!
But I agree with you I'm going to clear their temple both of them with a 45 or 12 guage!!!😀
 
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I guess the Book of Ester, where the Jews took up the sword in self defense means nothing. Along with the heroine Jael who drove a tent peg through the head of Sisera to save her countrymen.
The Bible is full of self defense and the defense of the weak and defenseless. Such as this fine gem. Psalm 82:4 “Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
When Lot and his people were captured, Abram had no problem rescuing him with force (Genesis 14:13-16)
I recommend reading your Bible. Study it and learn it.