Thou shalt not kill

[SIMON55]

This is what the pope said a few days ago.
That "public opinion is manifesting a growing opposition to the death penalty, even as a means of legitimate social defence," he called a "sign of hope."
In addition to being offensive to the inviolability of human life, Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not "consonant with any just purpose of punishment."
"It does not render justice to victims, but instead fosters vengeance. The commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' has absolute value and applies both to the innocent and to the guilty."
Recalling the Jubilee of Mercy being celebrated currently, the Roman Pontiff said the year is "an auspicious occasion for promoting worldwide ever more evolved forms of respect for the life and dignity of each person."
"It must not be forgotten that the inviolable and God-given right to life also belongs to the criminal," he exhorted.

Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter's Square (Daniel Ibanez/CNA).

In addition to calling for an end to capital punishment, Pope Francis called on the participants to work for the improvement of prison conditions "so that they fully respect the human dignity of those incarcerated."

He reiterated that rendering justice "does not mean seeking punishment for its own sake, but ensuring that the basic purpose of all punishment is the rehabilitation of the offender."
The question of justice should be answered "within the larger framework of a system of penal justice open to the possibility of the guilty party's reinsertion in society," he said.
"There is no fitting punishment without hope! Punishment for its own sake, without room for hope, is a form of torture, not of punishment."
Pope Francis' video message echoed earlier calls he has made for an end to the use of the death penalty. His immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI and St. John Paul II, also spoke out against its use in modern society.

Anybody that would listen to that blasphemer antichrist littlehorn beast empire head whore of babylon dressed in purple and scarlet
AINT GOT TWO BB's IN THEIR BOX CAR!!!!!

 

[SIMON55]

This is what the pope said a few days ago.
That "public opinion is manifesting a growing opposition to the death penalty, even as a means of legitimate social defence," he called a "sign of hope."
In addition to being offensive to the inviolability of human life, Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not "consonant with any just purpose of punishment."
"It does not render justice to victims, but instead fosters vengeance. The commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' has absolute value and applies both to the innocent and to the guilty."
Recalling the Jubilee of Mercy being celebrated currently, the Roman Pontiff said the year is "an auspicious occasion for promoting worldwide ever more evolved forms of respect for the life and dignity of each person."
"It must not be forgotten that the inviolable and God-given right to life also belongs to the criminal," he exhorted.

Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter's Square (Daniel Ibanez/CNA).

In addition to calling for an end to capital punishment, Pope Francis called on the participants to work for the improvement of prison conditions "so that they fully respect the human dignity of those incarcerated."

He reiterated that rendering justice "does not mean seeking punishment for its own sake, but ensuring that the basic purpose of all punishment is the rehabilitation of the offender."
The question of justice should be answered "within the larger framework of a system of penal justice open to the possibility of the guilty party's reinsertion in society," he said.
"There is no fitting punishment without hope! Punishment for its own sake, without room for hope, is a form of torture, not of punishment."
Pope Francis' video message echoed earlier calls he has made for an end to the use of the death penalty. His immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI and St. John Paul II, also spoke out against its use in modern society.

All your pagan idol worshipers you are worshipping are going to be cast into the sea with a millstone about their necks for being ......
CHILD OFFENDERS
LUKE 16

 

[SIMON55]

We are speaking about Jesus, not solomon.

You think Jesus is a panzy and isn't going to kill anyone at second advent....
You better get off the chat site and get to reading buddy!!!!

 

[SIMON55]

This is what the pope said a few days ago.
That "public opinion is manifesting a growing opposition to the death penalty, even as a means of legitimate social defence," he called a "sign of hope."
In addition to being offensive to the inviolability of human life, Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not "consonant with any just purpose of punishment."
"It does not render justice to victims, but instead fosters vengeance. The commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' has absolute value and applies both to the innocent and to the guilty."
Recalling the Jubilee of Mercy being celebrated currently, the Roman Pontiff said the year is "an auspicious occasion for promoting worldwide ever more evolved forms of respect for the life and dignity of each person."
"It must not be forgotten that the inviolable and God-given right to life also belongs to the criminal," he exhorted.

Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter's Square (Daniel Ibanez/CNA).

In addition to calling for an end to capital punishment, Pope Francis called on the participants to work for the improvement of prison conditions "so that they fully respect the human dignity of those incarcerated."

He reiterated that rendering justice "does not mean seeking punishment for its own sake, but ensuring that the basic purpose of all punishment is the rehabilitation of the offender."
The question of justice should be answered "within the larger framework of a system of penal justice open to the possibility of the guilty party's reinsertion in society," he said.
"There is no fitting punishment without hope! Punishment for its own sake, without room for hope, is a form of torture, not of punishment."
Pope Francis' video message echoed earlier calls he has made for an end to the use of the death penalty. His immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI and St. John Paul II, also spoke out against its use in modern society.

Who cares what any of those blaspheming antichrists say its a SATANIST CULT !!!

 

[tourist]

This is kind of a peripheral point, but I'm not sure that Jesus DID heal the guy's ear (and it says the victim--Malchus--was not a soldier, but instead a servant of the high priest).

The incident of cutting off the ear is recorded in all four Gospels, but only Luke says that Jesus touched the man's ear and healed him after calling off his disciples.

Just think about it--if they were arresting Jesus for blasphemy, saying He was God (or the Son of God)--and then he touches a guy's head and an ear that had just been cut off magically regrows, don't you think someone might have thought, "Whoa! Maybe He IS the Son of God! We should re-think this whole arrest business..."

So I dunno; maybe it happened and maybe it didn't, but if the soldiers and priests went through with a trial and execution after supposedly witnessing a miracle like that (and remember, all the Gospels are clear that Jesus went out of his way NOT to perform any miracles that would prove His claim of divinity during his remainder of His trial)--then they had a pretty big set of brass cajones.

Those that arrested Jesus were Roman soldiers executing their orders. Perhaps they were indeed astonished at the miracle but that didn't deter them from the assigned task at hand.

 

[SIMON55]

Just because Jesus didn't restate everything in OT doesn't mean He didn't agree with it. People use this logic to say Jesus didn't preach on homosexuality. The thing is Jesus stepped into time for a reason, that the lost would be saved. He came to die. He had a mission. In the OT the Jews defended themselves against attacks from other peoples,I see no reason why that would change in the NT.

Amen.....NOT ONE DOT OR TITTLE.....😀

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is what the pope said a few days ago...

The pope should either step down voluntarily or resign. He is just another Left-Liberal Globalist who does not even know what the Bible teaches about many things. His public pronouncements are getting tedious and tiresome.

 

[SIMON55]

JEsus said in John 10:10 the thief only comes to steal, and kill and destroy but I am come so that they might have life and life more abundantly.

Oh I see someone already posted that scripture.
Am not sure what else to say Jesus definitely did not kill anyone when he was on earth(except a fig tree) but he DID defeat satan and has condemned him to the lake of fire. Also he will get his Father and the holy angels to carry out vengeance on the wicked in the seven plagues.

As Jesus was killed himself but didnt raise an an army that fought flesh and blood I think it was not appropriate that he get his followers to kill anyone, they cast out demons instead. He was always telling people NOT to kill each other...when some people tried to stone and kill the woman caught in adultery, he stopped them! JEsus COULD have stoned and killed her too, as he had no sin, but he didnt! He let her go and told her to sin no more.

Also I dont recall a single instance of anyone in the book of acts who followed Jesus being told to kill anyone. JEsus even stopped .saul from killing believers by converting him.

Jesus and the father are one and agree on everything this garbage about Jesus going to get his father and angels to do all his killing for him is delusional garbage.....
Your mamby pamby lamby is coming back as the Lion of Judah and he is bringing his Army....and he will have blood on his garments Isaiah 63
Revelation Ezekiel
Zechariah

 

[Garydavid]

The pope should either step down voluntarily or resign. He is just another Left-Liberal Globalist who does not even know what the Bible teaches about many things. His public pronouncements are getting tedious and tiresome.

The pope should either step down voluntarily or resign. He is just another Left-Liberal Globalist who does not even know what the Bible teaches about many things. His public pronouncements are getting tedious and tiresome.

You think Jesus is a panzy and isn't going to kill anyone at second advent....
You better get off the chat site and get to reading buddy!!!!

God bless you brother.

 

[SIMON55]

This is what the pope said a few days ago.
That "public opinion is manifesting a growing opposition to the death penalty, even as a means of legitimate social defence," he called a "sign of hope."
In addition to being offensive to the inviolability of human life, Pope Francis said that the death penalty is not "consonant with any just purpose of punishment."
"It does not render justice to victims, but instead fosters vengeance. The commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' has absolute value and applies both to the innocent and to the guilty."
Recalling the Jubilee of Mercy being celebrated currently, the Roman Pontiff said the year is "an auspicious occasion for promoting worldwide ever more evolved forms of respect for the life and dignity of each person."
"It must not be forgotten that the inviolable and God-given right to life also belongs to the criminal," he exhorted.

Pope Francis at the General Audience in St. Peter's Square (Daniel Ibanez/CNA).

In addition to calling for an end to capital punishment, Pope Francis called on the participants to work for the improvement of prison conditions "so that they fully respect the human dignity of those incarcerated."

He reiterated that rendering justice "does not mean seeking punishment for its own sake, but ensuring that the basic purpose of all punishment is the rehabilitation of the offender."
The question of justice should be answered "within the larger framework of a system of penal justice open to the possibility of the guilty party's reinsertion in society," he said.
"There is no fitting punishment without hope! Punishment for its own sake, without room for hope, is a form of torture, not of punishment."
Pope Francis' video message echoed earlier calls he has made for an end to the use of the death penalty. His immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI and St. John Paul II, also spoke out against its use in modern society.

THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SITE
GET THAT PAGAN IDOL WORSHIPPING BLASPHEMER SATAN ANTICHRIST PHOTO OFF OF HERE!!!

 

[SIMON55]

God bless you brother.

Sorry I can't bless you back promoting an Antichrist as a Christian. NO CAN DO

 

[AxeElf]

Those that arrested Jesus were Roman soldiers executing their orders. Perhaps they were indeed astonished at the miracle but that didn't deter them from the assigned task at hand.

According to the Gospels, soldiers were not the only ones there, though. The priests and their servants (one of which got his ear lopped off--and possibly subsequently healed) were also present. You would think that if one of the priests who ordered the arrest saw his servant healed in the twinkling of an eye by this man who claimed to be God, he might have thought twice about prosecuting him for it.

 

[Garydavid]

THIS IS A CHRISTIAN SITE
GET THAT PAGAN IDOL WORSHIPPING BLASPHEMER SATAN ANTICHRIST PHOTO OFF OF HERE!!!

This is how a christian acts?. May god bless you.

 

[tourist]

According to the Gospels, soldiers were not the only ones there, though. The priests and their servants (one of which got his ear lopped off--and possibly subsequently healed) were also present. You would think that if one of the priests who ordered the arrest saw his servant healed in the twinkling of an eye by this man who claimed to be God, he might have thought twice about prosecuting him for it.

Those present wee probably blinded by the Truth.

 

[AxeElf]

Those present wee probably blinded by the Truth.

I think that between the cognitive dissonance it would have created in the priests and the fact that only one of the four Gospels reports the healing, it's more likely that it simply didn't happen--but I freely admit that's a matter of my own reasoned opinion and not of demonstrable fact.

 

[Garydavid]

Sorry I can't bless you back promoting an Antichrist as a Christian. NO CAN DO

thats

Those present wee probably blinded by the Truth.

I would preferably not add or take away or doubt the words of the bible.

Betrayal and Arrest of Jesus
47While he was still speaking, there came a crowd, and the man called Judas, one of the twelve, was leading them. He drew near to Jesus to kiss him, 48but Jesus said to him, “Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?” 49And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50And one of them struck the servanth of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him. 52Then Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders, who had come out against him, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs? 53When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness.”

 

[SIMON55]

This is how a christian acts?. May god bless you.

Yes YOU ARE REBUKED GET BEHIND ME SATAN....if you are going to promote wolves in sheeps clothing to me....
You don't know the difference between a Christian and a Antichrist blasphemer!

 

[AxeElf]

I would preferably not add or take away or doubt the words of the bible.

Betrayal and Arrest of Jesus
47While he was still speaking, there came a crowd, and the man called Judas, one of the twelve, was leading them. He drew near to Jesus to kiss him, 48but Jesus said to him, “Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?” 49And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?” 50And one of them struck the servanth of the high priest and cut off his right ear. 51But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him. 52Then Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders, who had come out against him, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs? 53When I was with you day after day in the temple, you did not lay hands on me. But this is your hour, and the power of darkness.”

But... the other three Gospels "take away" the words that describe Jesus healing the servant. So are the other Gospel authors guilty of the transgression of taking away from the words of the Bible?

 

[oldhermit]

Are there any exeptions to this commandment that would make it acceptable to taking ones life? I have received many different answers on this question.

"You shall not do murder." verse 13
I think it can be safely said that murder is a world magnitude. There is no corner of the globe where this command has not suffered violence. This commandment is laid across the entire spectrum of killing but, the command discriminates because not all killing is murder. Murder is arbitrary, willful, malicious, it is without legitimate purpose, and there is no inherent necessity for it. Murder can be either planned or spontaneous, but neither effects the nature of the action.

This is not the same thing as killing. The Lord commanded Israel to exterminate entire civilizations, even the women and children. The reason for such genocide was the wickedness of those nations that had gone after other gods and even sacrificed their own children to those deities. The Lord also installed the death penalty for a variety of capitol crimes under the Law of Moses. Even under the Noadic covenant, God decreed that anyone who was guilty of murder, his lie must also be taken by man.

The context of the meaning of murder is the will of God, not situations or circumstances. By this single commandment, God hereby legitimizes human existence and attaches meaning and value to human life. Murder is an attempt to delegitimize and devalue human life. God has said you shall not do this.

Murder is an assault on the dignity of man and the nature of God himself because man is created in the image if his Maker. It is an unwarranted violent reaction to circumstances of whatever kind. There is no such thing as the right to murder. The right of murder has not been extended to governments nor to individuals. With these commandments, God is putting a cleavage between the power to do something and the right to do something, and these are not the same thing. This cleavage is an eternal prohibition against many types of human behaviors.

Man attempts to use legal power to overturn the laws of God. Today for example, the fetus is denied protection from being murdered in the womb. From the legal point of view, the unborn has been fully delegitimized and devalued. It has been decreed by law that the fetus has no rights, not even the right to live. Thus, the power of deciding the right of life has been taken out of the hands of the Almighty and placed into human courts. The fetus has been labeled by the courts as a non-person, thus it is argued that it is not murder to kill an aggregate of protoplasm. It has been completely dehumanized. This is the rationalization of the world toward the the value of a human life verses the convenience or inconvenience of another.

This philosophy of human life has also affected the old and terminally ill who have become subject to euthanasia when life becomes burdensome or inconvenient, especially to others. They have simply been pushed aside and marginalized as having no intrinsic value. The idea is a very simple one, murder the Ten Commandments, then murder the people. We are witnesses to more than one holocaust emerging in our time. Murder is a crowning human overreach of power over the will of God. This command “You shall not commit murder” generalizes to situations where one has the power to act but not the right to act. This inherently implies that man has the power to murder, but that this power must be controlled, regulated and be made to conform to a divine will. The commandment forbids the exercise of this power to all.

 

[John146]

"You shall not do murder." verse 13
I think it can be safely said that murder is a world magnitude. There is no corner of the globe where this command has not suffered violence. This commandment is laid across the entire spectrum of killing but, the command discriminates because not all killing is murder. Murder is arbitrary, willful, malicious, it is without legitimate purpose, and there is no inherent necessity for it. Murder can be either planned or spontaneous, but neither effects the nature of the action.

This is not the same thing as killing. The Lord commanded Israel to exterminate entire civilizations, even the women and children. The reason for such genocide was the wickedness of those nations that had gone after other gods and even sacrificed their own children to those deities. The Lord also installed the death penalty for a variety of capitol crimes under the Law of Moses. Even under the Noadic covenant, God decreed that anyone who was guilty of murder, his lie must also be taken by man.

The context of the meaning of murder is the will of God, not situations or circumstances. By this single commandment, God hereby legitimizes human existence and attaches meaning and value to human life. Murder is an attempt to delegitimize and devalue human life. God has said you shall not do this.

Murder is an assault on the dignity of man and the nature of God himself because man is created in the image if his Maker. It is an unwarranted violent reaction to circumstances of whatever kind. There is no such thing as the right to murder. The right of murder has not been extended to governments nor to individuals. With these commandments, God is putting a cleavage between the power to do something and the right to do something, and these are not the same thing. This cleavage is an eternal prohibition against many types of human behaviors.

Man attempts to use legal power to overturn the laws of God. Today for example, the fetus is denied protection from being murdered in the womb. From the legal point of view, the unborn has been fully delegitimized and devalued. It has been decreed by law that the fetus has no rights, not even the right to live. Thus, the power of deciding the right of life has been taken out of the hands of the Almighty and placed into human courts. The fetus has been labeled by the courts as a non-person, thus it is argued that it is not murder to kill an aggregate of protoplasm. It has been completely dehumanized. This is the rationalization of the world toward the the value of a human life verses the convenience or inconvenience of another.

This philosophy of human life has also affected the old and terminally ill who have become subject to euthanasia when life becomes burdensome or inconvenient, especially to others. They have simply been pushed aside and marginalized as having no intrinsic value. The idea is a very simple one, murder the Ten Commandments, then murder the people. We are witnesses to more than one holocaust emerging in our time. Murder is a crowning human overreach of power over the will of God. This command “You shall not commit murder” generalizes to situations where one has the power to act but not the right to act. This inherently implies that man has the power to murder, but that this power must be controlled, regulated and be made to conform to a divine will. The commandment forbids the exercise of this power to all.

Ok, then who gives the right to kill?