Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

[beastslayer1970]

I see that as such a warp way to look at it man. We are without a doubt, 1000% born sinners, in fact Romans 8:8 says we CANNOT please God, as in unable. How are we able to love God? That's right only through Jesus the Messiah sent to save us from our hopeless state. Yes I actually believe your points, what you're saying I completely agree with, but the fact you don't even mention any kind of change between being lost and being in Christ is a bit misleading or at least not detailed enough. I understand what you're saying here "we are always going to sin", like we are always going to be the same as we were before Christ as a lost soul, as the broken person, unable to love God.

I say once we are saved by Him, after He draws us in and grants us repentance, saving us, putting to death that old man, opening our eyes to see, taking our heart of stone and giving us one of flesh that can love God, after recreating us I say there is an absolute distinction between the "old and new man", and to leave it out completely is inaccurate in my opinion/experience/understanding of the text. When we are born again we are now able to pursue God. Are we sinless? No not at all, I would never claim I was sinless, but I do testify God does absolutely start cleaning us up from the inside out and stripping these sins away while molding us to reflect His glory better. He takes us broken, flawed, incomplete, and lost people, changes us to use us for His purpose, for His glory. He gives us the desire to want Him, He does this and gets all credit/recognition/glory for it. My main point being we are changed, so while I do agree with you that we won't see sinless perfection this side of the grave (of course), we are different now by His grace, we are new by His power, and we should never gloss over that truth. IMO of course.

We cannot please God if we walk in the flesh.

Romans 8:9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

If you want to get real nitpicky about what the Bible says, it says the Spirit is the one that allows you to not walk in the flesh.

 

[Jimbone]

We cannot please God if we walk in the flesh.

Romans 8:9-11

[SUP]9 [/SUP]However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

If you want to get real nitpicky about what the Bible says, it says the Spirit is the one that allows you to not walk in the flesh.

My only point was we are D.E.A.D. in our sin, we can not look around, we can not see nor swim to a life preserver, we are at deaths mercy until Jesus saves us, we do not "work or earn" it at all. That was my main point in that last comment, I'm not sure exactly what part of my comment you were addressing, but I agree with what you said here. I'm not sure if you were just adding to mine, or if you were giving a counter to something you disagreed with, I don't see what, but I agree 100%.

 

[beastslayer1970]

My only point was we are D.E.A.D. in our sin, we can not look around, we can not see nor swim to a life preserver, we are at deaths mercy until Jesus saves us, we do not "work or earn" it at all. That was my main point in that last comment, I'm not sure exactly what part of my comment you were addressing, but I agree with what you said here. I'm not sure if you were just adding to mine, or if you were giving a counter to something you disagreed with, I don't see what, but I agree 100%.

just agreeing with you, sorry we both lost each other. My apologies

 

[richard34]

HI everybody. I know I'm new here but this is the first post I came across and figured I'd weigh in on this topic. IMO they will absolutely not inherit the Kingdom of God. Because when a person gives there life to Christ they become a new creation and the old is gone. If they are still living in that lifestyle then their heart has never really been changed. See Jesus came to make us whole, who we are meant to be. You will become exactly who you were created to be. The Bible says in the beginning He created them male and female. He didn't create anything in-between. That is all peoples doing and allowing themselves to travel down that path of sin. It's all sin! Just like lust is sin. Before I gave my heart to Christ I lusted after almost every pretty girl I saw. But God changed me completely on the inside. I don't even have those desires anymore! My whole mind-set has changed. I don't see how you can be born again if nothing inside of you has changed. Also the Bible is very clear on this. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. So anyone who continues in this lifestyle has never really been changed. 1st John also says Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. The idea is continues in that sin. When you truly give your heart to Christ He changes you from the inside out. The old desires leaves and He gives you desires for new things, spiritual things. It comes out in your life! If your truly saved and following Christ you WILL be changed and people will see that change. I think that most churches have gotten so far away from the Bible and preaching the truth it's just sad. The church today is in horrible shape and IMO most people attending church are not truly born-again and never have been. If you can continue living the same way you did before you came to Christ and not feel any guilt or condemnation about it then I think that's a true sign you were never born again. I can't live the way I used to! Even the times I've messed up and fell back into some of those things I absolutely hate it now. I can't stand it anymore. A true born-again Christian hates sin! They can't stand to be controlled by that thing! It's despicable! It's deplorable! It's awful! It steals, kills, and destroys your life. People always talk so much about how God is so full of love and this is true. He does love us all! But read the Bible the whole book is full of God's hatred for sin. True children of God hate it also. You may stumble but you'll pick yourself up and get out of that thing because you cannot stand it dominating your life.

 

[OtherWay210]

Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[Angela53510]

You got me all wrong.
Someone whose had a sex change can repent and have saving faith, that is their past. What I'm saying is that someone who says they're saved yet chooses the transgender lifestyle really isn't.

This is my issue, since this thread is back on the front page.

I knew a man who was a Christian. He was married with a daughter, his wife left them both, and he decided a while later he wanted to “be a woman.” He didn’t say he knew what it meant to be a woman, just that was what he felt. He had been sexually molested as a child by a psychiatrist he went to see with his brother, after their father died. The brother is normal.

So, I told him he was not a woman, and then we did Bible studies together. He really seemed to know Christ. But, he decided to transition. It was appalling the way he dressed at first, and wore make up. I was still counseling him to not do the hormones.

Next time I saw him, he looked like a real woman. A fat, tall woman! And he was using the woman’s washrooms with a doctor’s note and on hormone treatment. He found a transgender group and and started doing Bible studies with them. He took his Bible everywhere with him. Pardon me, her!

I couldn’t watch it anymore, and I was doing no good. So, we lost contact, probably for the best. He loved Jesus. So was he saved or not? I am just glad I am not the judge. And I did feel terribly sorry for that man.

 

[stonesoffire]

IMO, anyone can be saved through repentance and turning to God. Ther was a man on Facebook who was a transgender who did repent and was testifying, but was sorrowful for doing it. Tattoos everywhere, ear lobes were enlarged. I felt so sorry for him but still glad to hear him testifying. The Lord can use him greatly in that society. Didn't know what else to call it but society.

 

[star]

If anyone repents, accepts Christ, they are saved unto eternal life. IMHO, a transgender would have to be remorseful for what they did to change what nature (God) equipped them with as a human being from conception onward.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

Yeah, if they recognize it as sin, receive Christ and repent of it, just like with all sin. If you are asking "can a transgender willfully remain and practice being a transgender and still go to heaven?" No! Repentance is required. This is the same problem that exists today with those who are living same-sex life styles and who claim to be in Christ. But instead of repenting they are justifying their sin and embracing it, stating that God loves them just as they are and that there is nothing wrong with what they are doing.

To answer the second part of your question, just like all who come to Christ, we are to bring our bodies under control and as we yield to the Spirit we are being transformed into the image of Christ (2 Cor.3:18).

As believers we are to get the victory over the acts of the sinful nature. If you were previously a liar, lie no more. If you were a thief, steal no more. If you were a transgender, then no longer be a transgender. The person who has those feelings should be wrestling to overcome those desires through prayer and the power of God. For scripture makes clear that those who are "willfully" living according to the sinful nature will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[CS1]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

If the Word of God is true which I believe it is . There is no such thing as transgender In Gods account of man and women .

Transgender is a false narrative , cognitive dilemma, and abandonment of reality . This thought comes from nothing but the Devil, bad parenting, and a school system with no moral relativeness or regard for the word of God or HIS Will

 

[LibrarianLeo]

But if they try to justify their sin and declare it to be good and right then they have disbelieved the LORD and rejected the atonement of the LORD Jesus Christ for their sin and thus they shall not be covered by His atoning blood..

Romans 14
Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[LibrarianLeo]

If the Word of God is true which I believe it is . There is no such thing as transgender In Gods account of man and women . Transgender is a false narrative , cognitive dilemma, and abandonment of reality .

11It is just as the Scripture says: “Everyone who believes in Him will not be put to shame.” 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich to all who call on Him,

27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free,
male nor female,
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[LibrarianLeo]

This is my issue, since this thread is back on the front page.

I knew a man who was a Christian. He was married with a daughter, his wife left them both, and he decided a while later he wanted to “be a woman.” He didn’t say he knew what it meant to be a woman, just that was what he felt. He had been sexually molested as a child by a psychiatrist he went to see with his brother, after their father died. The brother is normal.

So, I told him he was not a woman, and then we did Bible studies together. He really seemed to know Christ. But, he decided to transition. It was appalling the way he dressed at first, and wore make up. I was still counseling him to not do the hormones.

Next time I saw him, he looked like a real woman. A fat, tall woman! And he was using the woman’s washrooms with a doctor’s note and on hormone treatment. He found a transgender group and and started doing Bible studies with them. He took his Bible everywhere with him. Pardon me, her!

I couldn’t watch it anymore, and I was doing no good. So, we lost contact, probably for the best. He loved Jesus. So was he saved or not? I am just glad I am not the judge. And I did feel terribly sorry for that man.

And you should feel sorry for all people with problems. All of us. But if you saw devil horns on this person, you didn't mention it.

 

[OneFaith]

First of all, there is no such thing as a transgender. No one can change their male or female chromosomes any more than an Irish man can have a surgery to become Chinese- just can’t happen. “What God has brought together no man can separate.” Once God brings a sperm to an egg and makes a human, no man can separate the DNA of that father and that mother. Surgery is the same as wearing a costume- it does not turn you into that thing.

As for if presently practicing homosexual offenders go to heaven, the Bible says they do not. (1Corinthians 6:9,10, and Revelation 22:15 are a couple verses of many). Christ’s blood is powerful enough to cleanse any and every sin. However, if you use Christ’s blood as a license to sin it will be taken away from you. “But if you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins.”

 

[jameen]

If that transgender did not know that it is a sin to transform himself like this, God will understand.

The only basis for him to be saved is if he had shown mercy to others and help his fellow men such as feeding the hungry, drink the thirsty etc as mentioned in Matthew 25.

God is the ultimate judge to all men so we cannot say that he will surely go to hell because who knows God will pardon a transgender on the Judgment Day.

 

[Deade]

If that transgender did not know that it is a sin to transform himself like this, God will understand.

The only basis for him to be saved is if he had shown mercy to others and help his fellow men such as feeding the hungry, drink the thirsty etc as mentioned in Matthew 25.

God is the ultimate judge to all men so we cannot say that he will surely go to hell because who knows God will pardon a transgender on the Judgment Day.

What do you mean God will understand? God is the one that defines sin. We are the ones that will have to understand. God made males and females different. He is the one that decides which one we are. We shouldn't play that down nor deny it. We should even celebrate it. No wonder our children are so confused; people tell tomboys and effeminate boys they may be gay. I have seen many of these type children, and they grow up to be quite normal.

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[LibrarianLeo]

What do you mean God will understand? God is the one that defines sin. We are the ones that will have to understand. God made males and females different.
.

He means that God does not recognise gender discrimination.

οὐκ ἔνι Ἰουδαῖος οὐδὲ Ἕλλην, οὐκ ἔνι δοῦλος οὐδὲ ἐλεύθερος, οὐκ ἔνι ἄρσεν καὶ θῆλυ· πάντες γὰρ ὑμεῖς εἷς ἐστε ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29And if you are Christ's, then are you Abraham's descendants (DNA), and heirs according to the promise.

 

[LibrarianLeo]

First of all, there is no such thing as a transgender. No one can change their male or female chromosomes any more than an Irish man can have a surgery to become Chinese- just can’t happen. “What God has brought together no man can separate.”

 

[Bladerunner]

There is no such thing as being born GAY. It is a learned SIN. A Sin that Jesus Himself tells is an abominable sin. Unless, the sinners repent and truly believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel (1 Cor 15:`-4),

They will be left Behind!

 

[MatthewG]

I have heard this analogy before...

The Lord Jesus Christ, being as pure, holy, white as He was, died on the cross.

There was all kinds of rats (sins) from the whole world, that He took apun Himself to pay for the price of sin once and for all.

Then He drowns Himself in the sea, with all of those rats on Him, killing them. (Jesus Christ paying for all sins of the whole world)

The God raises Him again, clean, washed, and renewed signifying victory over Death, Sin, and over Satan, and His demons.

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I believe that anyone who believes in the Lord Jesus Christ, will go and see God, just like I believe those who do not believe will go and see God.

Experiences in life, lead to life choices, and choices are made by human beings every day.

People learn from others, and that is just how things go... This can go along the lines of many things... (Mannerisms, Behaviors)

That is just human nature. There are about 6 billion people in the world, and they all have different experiences in life.


I believe that having someone to go to like God and Jesus Christ can be very helpful in our day to day life.
Because from scripture we know that God does care about us, and loves us. So does the Lord Jesus Christ.
They are always around near to us, and are always listening.