Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

[SovereignGrace]

There are many medical conditions that are not mentioned in the bible.

But I am not convinced its a medical condition. In fact, its not. Its a sin issue.

 

[Innerfire89]

But I am not convinced its a medical condition. In fact, its not. Its a sin issue.

There were studies done but all turned up empty. Labeling sins as diseases is an attempt by the far left to justify themselves. Like how they catagozied alcoholism as a disease.

 

[Adstar]

Originally Posted by Adstar

Thats the same as saying if a sinner has faith in Christ then yes, but they wouldn't be a sinner anymore........

See the problem?

No, I see no problem. A born again beliver would only go so far since they are now slaves to rightiosness. True believers don't willfully sin against God.

So you are saying that you are now living a sinless life since you are Born Again and as such a slave to rightiousness ?

Lets face it you are either rightious or a sinner..

Never met a person who was not a sinner

 

[Innerfire89]

Originally Posted by Adstar

Thats the same as saying if a sinner has faith in Christ then yes, but they wouldn't be a sinner anymore........

See the problem?





So you are saying that you are now living a sinless life since you are Born Again and as such a slave to rightiousness ?

Lets face it you are either rightious or a sinner..

Never met a person who was not a sinner

Certain sins mark a person as a reprobate. A tree is know by it's fruits.

You can see by my words that you quoted that thats not what I'm saying.

 

[louis]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

Heaven is a spiritual paradise. Would people who live for their flesh end up in a spiritual paradise?

 

[Qp]

John 3:3 Jesus said unless a man be born again doesn't matter how or what kind of problems we have when we come from our mother's womb

 

[Atlanta_GA]

Do you think transgenders go to heaven? I hear mixed opinions on the topic. Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?

Nature has a tendency to mess up (deformities) so who's to say for sure. God will judge.

 

[lastofall]

[for me anyway] wherefore do you ask something you already know what God says about it? the only question that remains is if one bows down under God's Word, or speaks above His Word.

 

[Innerfire89]

Nature has a tendency to mess up (deformities) so who's to say for sure. God will judge.

That's called intetersexed, not transgendred. Transgendereds try to use intersex to argue their position but it has nothing to do with tansgenderism. Trans go by nothing more than feeling, theyer still the same sex. There's no such thing a man trapped in a woman's body or the other way around. A man can't know what it's like to be a woman since he never was one to begin with.

 

[Adstar]

Certain sins mark a person as a reprobate. A tree is know by it's fruits.

You can see by my words that you quoted that thats not what I'm saying.

Let me guess.. These certain sins are ones that you personaly do not have a weakness for ?

Please reveal the sins that are in the reprobate class? And if you can give scripture that decares them to be in that class..

 

[Innerfire89]

Don't guess, read the Bible.
Those that sin willfully have no sacrifice for sin. Hebrews 10:26.
Forincater, homosexuals, drunkards, ect will not enter the kingdom of heaven. 1 Corinthians 5:22-23.
And the fruits of the sinnful nature as opposed to the fruits of the Spirit. Galatians 5:19-22.

Do you think that someone who has the Holy Spirit living in them would act like a devil?

 

[lightbearer]

Abomination is an incorrect translation. Taboo is a more accurate translation. But something tells me you prefer to use abomination, if you had the choice. That is because it is your own subjective view, rather than you developed the view because of the Bible. If people would never use the Bible to prop up their own subjective views, please let me know why people are incapable of doing that and never would. We are all of the world, and none of us are righteous.

But that is exactly what you just did in your post.

Taboo really? Homosexuality is called an abomination in the Holy Writ. Lev.18:21,22; 20:13. KJV

And the act of being a mere transvestite is called an abomination Deut 22:5 KJV. It would be quite the leap to think that the act of being a transgender would carry any less of an condemnation.

 

[stonesoffire]

A transgender can go to heaven same as any other sinner who repents of their sin, receives Jesus as Saviour, and is filled with Holy Spirit. But, it's tragic that it would happen after a surgical change.

There was one on my Facebook who has a great testimony, but lives with the results with regret. Not just for the sex change but the tattoos and piercings left on his body.

 

[stonesoffire]

Certain sins mark a person as a reprobate. A tree is know by it's fruits.

You can see by my words that you quoted that thats not what I'm saying.

Apparently you skipped Romans?

 

[Innerfire89]

Apparently you skipped Romans?

What do you mean?

 

[stonesoffire]

What do you mean?

In Romans, we see the scriptures stating there are none good. That God has placed both Jew and gentile into one category. Sin.

Am I misunderstanding your post about reprobates? Because I read what you wrote that the act of sex change means one can never enter heaven.

Its not our actions per se that keep one from heaven, but what we are. A sin nature is what keeps us from the presence of God. Our nature must die, and we receive another. Born anew, born from above.

Anyone can repent and receive salvation. The called, the chosen, the faithful, the whosoevers.

Jesus died for all mankind. If man would just hear the gospel, believe and receive. Amen?

 

[Innerfire89]

In Romans, we see the scriptures stating there are none good. That God has placed both Jew and gentile into one category. Sin.

Am I misunderstanding your post about reprobates? Because I read what you wrote that the act of sex change means one can never enter heaven.

Its not our actions per se that keep one from heaven, but what we are. A sin nature is what keeps us from the presence of God. Our nature must die, and we receive another. Born anew, born from above.

Anyone can repent and receive salvation. The called, the chosen, the faithful, the whosoevers.

Jesus died for all mankind. If man would just hear the gospel, believe and receive. Amen?

You got me all wrong.
Someone whose had a sex change can repent and have saving faith, that is their past. What I'm saying is that someone who says they're saved yet chooses the transgender lifestyle really isn't.

 

[oldethennew]

all trans, and all others will have their chance to know and choose Jesus in the second Resurrection,
whether they realize it or not...all of God's creations will never go un-loved, but as many of us know
ALL are not called in their life-time, how obvious can this be???

READ and LEARN the Words and Promises of our Holy Saviour...

 

[stonesoffire]

You got me all wrong.
Someone whose had a sex change can repent and have saving faith, that is their past. What I'm saying is that someone who says they're saved yet chooses the transgender lifestyle really isn't.

Then I apologise. I read your post wrong. Thanks for replying.

 

[Jimbone]

Originally Posted by Adstar

Thats the same as saying if a sinner has faith in Christ then yes, but they wouldn't be a sinner anymore........

See the problem?





So you are saying that you are now living a sinless life since you are Born Again and as such a slave to rightiousness ?

Lets face it you are either rightious or a sinner..

Never met a person who was not a sinner

I see that as such a warp way to look at it man. We are without a doubt, 1000% born sinners, in fact Romans 8:8 says we CANNOT please God, as in unable. How are we able to love God? That's right only through Jesus the Messiah sent to save us from our hopeless state. Yes I actually believe your points, what you're saying I completely agree with, but the fact you don't even mention any kind of change between being lost and being in Christ is a bit misleading or at least not detailed enough. I understand what you're saying here "we are always going to sin", like we are always going to be the same as we were before Christ as a lost soul, as the broken person, unable to love God.

I say once we are saved by Him, after He draws us in and grants us repentance, saving us, putting to death that old man, opening our eyes to see, taking our heart of stone and giving us one of flesh that can love God, after recreating us I say there is an absolute distinction between the "old and new man", and to leave it out completely is inaccurate in my opinion/experience/understanding of the text. When we are born again we are now able to pursue God. Are we sinless? No not at all, I would never claim I was sinless, but I do testify God does absolutely start cleaning us up from the inside out and stripping these sins away while molding us to reflect His glory better. He takes us broken, flawed, incomplete, and lost people, changes us to use us for His purpose, for His glory. He gives us the desire to want Him, He does this and gets all credit/recognition/glory for it. My main point being we are changed, so while I do agree with you that we won't see sinless perfection this side of the grave (of course), we are different now by His grace, we are new by His power, and we should never gloss over that truth. IMO of course.