NEW PRETRIB RAPTURE EVIDENCE!!!

[Speak2Me]

You might want to start learning the truth then.

And here I thought we could have some christian conversation.

Doesn't sound very christian to me.

 

[Bladerunner]

In Rev 4, John does not see the lampstands (candlesticks) of the church, he sees the seven lamps of fire which are the seven Spirits of God. The church(body of Christ) is not the seven Spirits of God. Also to say the 24 elders represent the church has no basis. We are not told who they are.
I really think you are trying to make this passage say something that is not said.
As for as the 10 virgins being saved, you are wrong. Five had oil and five did not. Oil is necessary for light. We are to be the light of the world but can only do so if the Holy Spirit is within us. The oil represents the Holy Spirit. Five were saved and five were not.
Jesus never said He would come for some of us, He promised to come for all of us. And there is only one coming.
If one is punished for not having a 100% understanding of end time events, we would all be punished, or as you believe left behind.

John sees Jesus walk in the midst of the Lampstands in Heaven (Rev 1:13). Do you not agree.

Mat 24:24 :Jesus tells us "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

While Jesus was telling the Jewish people this, it leaves an insight to us.

He finishes this chapter and starts the next chapter with the parable of the ten virgins. The content tells me HE is talking about those who are not looking for His return will be left behind. As I stated the 5 foolish virgins had to get oil because they did not have enough. Foolish YES but they took their eye off of the Ball. They were not watching for Jesus to come during the time they were getting oil.

After this verse---Do you now think He was NOT trying to tell us something...????? Or Maybe this verse

Mat 24:36..."But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

Again, this is true for the Rapture. The 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ, we pretty well know when He will come.... I would guess if you are still here during that time, and the armies of the world are uniting to make war against Jesus Christ. LOL So-Sad then you will have a pretty good idea as to the day(s) Jesus will come in the Clouds to earth, where every eye shall see HIM vs the Rapture, where only the true Christians will see him.

So-Sad but you get the idea........For 2000 + years people have been waiting,believing and looking for the appearance of Jesus Christ to come to the clouds and remove those from the Church Age that were in the Grace of God, both Dead and the Living. I too could go to my grave believing in those words that someday the Rapture will happen. Either way, I am still win. I will be with my LORD.

You should read Mat 24: 24 to the end of Chapter. Rem..... We through Rev and other prophecies throughout the OT know what has to happen before the 2nd advent of Jesus Christ. We DO NOT Have such scripture for the Rapture. It is Imminent--It could happen at any time.......again:

"Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh."

Oh and one other point...Read Rev. 4&5 about the song the elders sing. They will tell you who they are!

Good luck and may your days be blessed.

Blade

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

These three are working together, liking each other's posts, while one of them is trying to set me up.

They tried the same thing in the Core beliefs - Repentance, faith, works done with a pure heart thread.

I noticed in that thread also there were others incognito in the background saying nothing.

They never travel alone.

One lures them out, another picks a fight, while the others watches, collaborating their story, & report me for fighting in the thread.

The Administrator doesn't even know he's being used when they all complain to him.

They never travel alone.

United. One spirit.

Some of you already suspected this.

It's true.

You are telling lies. I haven't even been participating those threads you mention here.

 

[valleyofdecision]

I was just jesting about others that twist the Word of GOD.....Try John 1:1...."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

DO not confuse the Logos Word with the Rhema Word.

 

[valleyofdecision]

Those passages refer to THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST to earth WITH His saints and angels. They cannot be (and are not) at odds with the Rapture in the least, since Christ comes "in the air" and returns to Heaven with His Bride.

So Jesus comes 3x to the earth is that your story? once as a baby, once in the air and once on the day of the Lord?

 

[heartofdavid]

It seems five had oil, but it ran out. Previously possessing oil indicates the Holy Spirit was there, & then it wasn't.

Previously saved.

I hit the like button,but your last sentence was wrong.
They didn't loose salvation,just entrence to the wedding chamber. They missed the rapture.

 

[heartofdavid]

So Jesus comes 3x to the earth is that your story? once as a baby, once in the air and once on the day of the Lord?

...and once in 1 thes,and once in rev 14,and once in rev 1

 

[valleyofdecision]

Oh, you are one of those Darby bashers. Darby and a few others popularized the Rapture BUT they did not make it up. The imminency of the Rapture has been around since the 1st century. Also, the Latin Bible, one of the Oldest Bibles far earlier than Darby popularization of the Rapture.

I am not a Darby basher, truth is truth, until Darby, the church was taught the day of the Lord and removed before the wrath of God. History disagrees with you that Darby did not invent it, he did. Scofield then picked it up and and expanded the lie when he introduced the doctrine of dispensationalism.

Dispy and rapture lies counter what the Bible states and ever since then, every whackdadoodle date setter as set the date of the rapture based on the lie.

 

[heartofdavid]

God will not send anyone until his plan is fulfilled, doing the opposite betrays his character and makes him a liar. Darby really messed up the body wit his rapture theory.

And yet postrib rapture has no verses.

Nor is there any example of a post judgement deliverance with immediate u turn.
Lot
Moses
Baby jesus.....
All removed PREJUDGEMENT
The Jews are also ushered away most likely to petra.
But the church is clearly wiped off the face of the earth.

 

[valleyofdecision]

Exactly. This problem is found in Historic Premillennialism ,Post-Millennialism, and Amillennialism. And all three are false, since they all equate the Church with Israel.

Funny guy, Darby was Amillennialism

 

[valleyofdecision]

And yet postrib rapture has no verses.

Nor is there any example of a post judgement deliverance with immediate u turn.
Lot
Moses
Baby jesus.....
All removed PREJUDGEMENT
The Jews are also ushered away most likely to petra.
But the church is clearly wiped off the face of the earth.

I never said there was a post trib rapture, you have. The greatest lie Satan will have on the church is oh look, Jesus is coming, yet it will not be Jesus it will be the beast.

 

[heartofdavid]

Sure I can read....and the wrath of God is announced at the 7th trump, in HEAVEN before the throne.......I will take that any day over lost men hiding in cave thinking it is the wrath of God......funny thing....guys like you been spewing the imminent return oh since about the 1800's and yet.....time marches on and more and more events are fulfilled and there are STILL things to be fulfilled....until that day....the return of Christ is not IMMINENT...P>S> 40 years means nothing when your refuse to acknowledge the very definitions of words and who they actually apply to and THE ANNOUNCED WRATH OF GOD at the 7th TRUMP......

Mat 25 says the groom delayed his coming and all the virgins slept.
We are at that pause now.
His return is ONLY FOR THE WISE. Only those intimate with him.
Backsliders stay and are martyred.
The last supper is the betrothal ,or promise to the bride.
The whole deal of a rapture is bride/groom centered,not trib /enduring centered.
Postribs main error is jetisoning our verses and the bride/groom dimension.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

And yet postrib rapture has no verses.

Nor is there any example of a post judgement deliverance with immediate u turn.
Lot
Moses
Baby jesus.....
All removed PREJUDGEMENT
The Jews are also ushered away most likely to petra.
But the church is clearly wiped off the face of the earth.

Moses?

He was in Egypt with Israel whilst the Egyptian firstborn were killed. Israel was protected. Exodus 11
AFTER that he got them out and drowned Pharaoh (the type of AC) with his army in the Red Sea.

6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any person or animal.’ Then you will know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.

Likewise Noah and his family were preserved through the flood when the rest of the world died.

 

[heartofdavid]

If you will notice the chapter begins with the 144,000 who are believed to be Jews that will evangelize the unsaved that were left behind when the rapture happened. I think these are unbelieving Gentiles that were saved during the Great Tribulation.

They are only jews. Firstfruit jews.
It goes to the dynamic that jacobs trouble is concerning Jacob,not the church.
It says right there the church ( innumerable number) is in heaven

 

[heartofdavid]

Moses?

He was in Egypt with Israel whilst the Egyptian firstborn were killed. Israel was protected. Exodus 11
AFTER that he got them out and drowned Pharaoh (the type of AC) with his army in the Red Sea.

6 There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again.7 But among the Israelites not a dog will bark at any person or animal.’ Then you will know that the Lord makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.

Likewise Noah and his family were preserved through the flood when the rest of the world died.

Except when you try to fit it postrib rapture it is an impossibility.
You need moses doing a u turn back to egypt.
( postrib rapture bizarre bandaid)
Then with noah,you need a post flood rescue.

Postrib rapture literall has no verses.
ABSOLUTELY none.

 

[heartofdavid]

The veil usually gets removed on imminent return , when one lets the Holy Spirit reveal the real meaning behind 1 Thess 4:13-18

Is there any evidence supporting that?

 

[valleyofdecision]

Is there any evidence supporting that?

The passage is about resurrection of loved ones in Christ, not super secret raptures in the air.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So Jesus comes 3x to the earth is that your story? once as a baby, once in the air and once on the day of the Lord?

If Jesus comes "in the air" that automatically means that He does NOT come to earth. And He comes to earth AFTER the Day of the Lord, not on the day of the Lord. So -- in fact -- there is a first coming and a second coming to earth.

 

[heartofdavid]

Yes it does say that but the persecution of the AC is not the wrath of God. The Psalm I posted was

" A thousand may fall at your side,ten thousand at your right hand,
but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked."


The small point I am trying to make is that it is provable that God CAN, HAS and DOES protect his own people from the same wrath he appoints to his enemies.

People who are entrenched in the pre-trib rapture doctrine are denying that is true. Then insulting me and claiming I have no scripture to back up my point. I am asked to present evidence. I did. There is much more but if some people can't accept one small point because it doesn't support the pre-trib rapture doctrine, and follow up with insults what is the point?

Rather than being insulted,take the opportunity to sytematically correct me.
I am here to be challenged.

 

[heartofdavid]

The passage is about resurrection of loved ones in Christ, not super secret raptures in the air.

The pretrib rapture contains that dynamic.
Yes we will see our loved ones.
Yes it is a pretrib rapture