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No need to smear Darby or anyone else. And the Rapture is only a "theory" for unbelieving souls - scoffers. Stick to Scripture. God's plan will indeed be fulfilled when the Bride of Christ -- the Church -- becomes the Lamb's Wife, following which Christ will descend to earth WITH His saints and angels (Revelation 19). But first they must already be in Heaven, and that occurs at the ResurrectionRapture.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
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You have to understand that God wrote this for the average person to understand.... A scroll in my mind is be a book rolled up as opposed to binding pages on top of one another to make what we call a book.
Would GOD change the meaning of SCROLL and how the people of the earth have come to learn how a scroll operates. There are a lot of people out there that can and will change anything and everything in the Bible in order to deny the WORD of GOD or express-lane their agenda.
The scrolls of that time Some that were written on Both sides were considered to be lands titles, or titles in general....Why? because the Outside was very rough and hard to write on thus only these type scrolls were written on both sides...
In this case when Jesus opens up the scroll he is in effect, taking back what he purchased on that Cross so long ago. The earth or you and me.
Ask yourself, a Church that has to go through the 70th week of Daniel cannot buy anything if they do not take the Mark of the Beast....Is he going to feed them at this time..or condemn them all to death. Now, we are not guaranteed to live forever on this world by any means. But to tells us to take comfort that someone is going to cut off my head (maybe) IF I don't change my mind and take the MARK..... A TEST....Does GOD test Israel, the ones that flee to Him for Help.....NO so why should he condemn those who Freely Believe in HIM without question? It just does not make any sense.
On the other hand, One has to "rightly divide" the Bible (2 tim 2:15).."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
The 70th Week is to bring the Jewish people to their knees in order for them to believe in Jesus Christ.. The other reason is to punish the non-believers. The believers, The church (His Bride) are told that He will remove those alive and those had died in HIM before the Antichrist can publically be known. The other Elect (Martyred, their fellowsevants and their Brethren saints) will have to die in the Name of Jesus Christ because quit frankly.....The were left behind!...They did not freely believe in what His words said.
ARE you going to be one of them????? A Post tribulation has so many things against it from the get-go. WHo is going to be left on earth for the Millennium.... What of the Wedding, the Bema seat judgements and the Sheep and Goat judgements. Where did the fact that a covenant is made with Israel between "Death and HELL" to rebuild the temple so that they may rid themselves of sins through animal sacrifice. So many questions when one starts to stray from GOd's WORD.
I could go on..but will stop here.....It will most likely fall on deaf ears in this thread. So-Sad!
Would GOD change the meaning of SCROLL and how the people of the earth have come to learn how a scroll operates. There are a lot of people out there that can and will change anything and everything in the Bible in order to deny the WORD of GOD or express-lane their agenda.
The scrolls of that time Some that were written on Both sides were considered to be lands titles, or titles in general....Why? because the Outside was very rough and hard to write on thus only these type scrolls were written on both sides...
In this case when Jesus opens up the scroll he is in effect, taking back what he purchased on that Cross so long ago. The earth or you and me.
Ask yourself, a Church that has to go through the 70th week of Daniel cannot buy anything if they do not take the Mark of the Beast....Is he going to feed them at this time..or condemn them all to death. Now, we are not guaranteed to live forever on this world by any means. But to tells us to take comfort that someone is going to cut off my head (maybe) IF I don't change my mind and take the MARK..... A TEST....Does GOD test Israel, the ones that flee to Him for Help.....NO so why should he condemn those who Freely Believe in HIM without question? It just does not make any sense.
On the other hand, One has to "rightly divide" the Bible (2 tim 2:15).."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
The 70th Week is to bring the Jewish people to their knees in order for them to believe in Jesus Christ.. The other reason is to punish the non-believers. The believers, The church (His Bride) are told that He will remove those alive and those had died in HIM before the Antichrist can publically be known. The other Elect (Martyred, their fellowsevants and their Brethren saints) will have to die in the Name of Jesus Christ because quit frankly.....The were left behind!...They did not freely believe in what His words said.
ARE you going to be one of them????? A Post tribulation has so many things against it from the get-go. WHo is going to be left on earth for the Millennium.... What of the Wedding, the Bema seat judgements and the Sheep and Goat judgements. Where did the fact that a covenant is made with Israel between "Death and HELL" to rebuild the temple so that they may rid themselves of sins through animal sacrifice. So many questions when one starts to stray from GOd's WORD.
I could go on..but will stop here.....It will most likely fall on deaf ears in this thread. So-Sad!
You mean the ugly PROPAGANDA against Christians who brought the truth out of Scripture.
But I notice you had no response to the Scripture I posted in order to support your belief that this sequence of events "contradicts God's nature". Like I said, stick to Scripture, and if you have no response out of the Bible then believe the Word of God, not the ugly propaganda that's been spread around.
But I notice you had no response to the Scripture I posted in order to support your belief that this sequence of events "contradicts God's nature". Like I said, stick to Scripture, and if you have no response out of the Bible then believe the Word of God, not the ugly propaganda that's been spread around.
This pre-trib rapture you believe so strongly in, is it the Church entire that are snatched away? Or only the exclusive club of those who believe that particular doctrine? It shouldn't make any difference if half the church simply hold a mid or post-trib viewpoint. Salvation isn't based on one's rapture belief.
Greetings valleyofdecision,
One of the major on-going problems with expositors, is not discerning the gathering of the church as being a separate event from when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. This in turn leads people to the conclusion that the gathering of the church takes place at the same time as when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. And since God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowls must take place prior to the Lord's return to end of the age, then the church must be gathered prior to said God's wrath.
If one considers these two events as being the same event and taking place at the same time, then their conclusions regarding the order of end-time events will be distorted, putting the church through the entire wrath of God.
Therefore, Zech.14, as well as Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7 and Rev.19:11-21, is not referring to the gathering of the church, but the advent of the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and the establishing of His millennial kingdom.
Gathering of the church = The Lord descending with the dead rising and the living in Christ being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air, where the Lord will take the entire church back to the Father's house. - John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18, 1 Cor.15:51-53, Rev.4:1-2
End of the age = The Lord returns to the earth with the church and his angels to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. - Isa.2:4, Zech.14:4, Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, Rev.19:11-21
One of the major on-going problems with expositors, is not discerning the gathering of the church as being a separate event from when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. This in turn leads people to the conclusion that the gathering of the church takes place at the same time as when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age. And since God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowls must take place prior to the Lord's return to end of the age, then the church must be gathered prior to said God's wrath.
If one considers these two events as being the same event and taking place at the same time, then their conclusions regarding the order of end-time events will be distorted, putting the church through the entire wrath of God.
Therefore, Zech.14, as well as Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7 and Rev.19:11-21, is not referring to the gathering of the church, but the advent of the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and the establishing of His millennial kingdom.
Gathering of the church = The Lord descending with the dead rising and the living in Christ being changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air, where the Lord will take the entire church back to the Father's house. - John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18, 1 Cor.15:51-53, Rev.4:1-2
End of the age = The Lord returns to the earth with the church and his angels to end the age and establish His millennial kingdom. - Isa.2:4, Zech.14:4, Matt.24:29-31, Rev.1:7, Rev.19:11-21