Not By Works

[Laish]

Yes, I saw this. PJW needs to be brought to light, Scripture clearly teaches those who claim to be sinless are deceived. I pray God sets him free.

Very true we need to show those that Pretzel Jesus’s Words the light ,and continue to pray for these folks .
Blessings
Bill

 

[PJW]

this Facebook link

https://www.facebook.com/The-Church-by-Christ-Jesus-366970560052414/

Sorry, but as a rule I don't open unsolicited links.
The first time was a real exception.

We have no link to find, so you might as well quit looking for one.

 

[PJW]

So so what’s your thoughts on
1 John 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Verse 9 is about those who are in the light, but at the first step.
Verse 10 is about those in the darkness, who some think don't even believe there is such a thing as sin.

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 6:46-9, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? "“Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”[/FONT]

 

[PJW]

Have you ever wondered why you can find no other Christian who agrees with you? Nobody believes your “I never sin” claims on either forum I have seen you participate in. That ought to tell you something. I understand that a number of people believing something does not mean it’s true, but generally speaking, if a belief is tenable, you will have at least some support from other people.

And that is aside from the records in the Bible stating that all men, saved or not, sin. Christians are saved sinners, not sinless people. There are biblical records of both Paul and Peter sinning after becoming saved, and Paul writes quite a bit about why we still sin in Rom 7. John wrote in 1 John 1:8 that if we (saved people) claim we have no sin (present tense) we are deceived and the truth is not in us. Do you understand that deceived people do not know they are deceived?

To all readers...
This is an admission of the poster still being a servant of sin.
His words should be evaluated with that in mind.

Numbers of "believers" matters little.
It is written that few would be saved.
Christians are going to be saved if they turn from sin and start to serve God faithfully, enduring till the end.
You are ignoring the final judgement yet to come.
Your character assassinations of Paul and Peter have hashed out already.
If you would like a refresher course I will be happy to oblige.
BTW, If your misinterpretation of 1 John 1:8 was correct, verses 7 and 9 both say that ALL our sins can be washed away by the blood of Christ.
Are verses 7 and 9 lies?
I think not.
All it takes to remain in the light is obedience to the One you claim to have faith in.
Why is that so difficult?

 

[VCO]

and the reason Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost is because if Jesus was born from Adam's seed like rest of us, he would have the same problem as all Adam's descendants, sin.

I agree, but there is more to JESUS than many realize.

The difference between JESUS and the rest of us Human Beings is:


The rest of us Human Beings have human spirit that was CREATED in us By HIM.

The Spirit in Jesus was the EVER OMNIPRESENT, ALL POWERFUL, CREATOR GOD HIMSELF.


Zechariah 12:1 (CSBBible)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] A pronouncement:
The word of the LORD concerning Israel.
A declaration of the LORD,
who stretched out the heavens,
laid the foundation of the earth,
and formed the spirit of man within him.


Yes that human spirit was dead at natural birth,
because of the SIN NATURE, inherited from Adam.
But that human spirit was birthed into eternal life by the
Holy Spirit the moment we genuinely Believed totally TRUSTING HIM.


2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.


Most people MISS the following Trinitarian TRUTH in these verses, that PROVE that the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE, just like the Father and Son are ONE.


John 14:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive Him because it doesn’t see Him or know Him. But you do know Him, because He remains with you and will be in you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you.


Colossians 2:8-10 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”[/FONT]

 

[PJW]

Do you believe the Spirit part of JESUS is GOD Himself?

So does that mean you believe PAUL is a Servant of Sin, and you are not?

Romans 7:25 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

Excellent questions...
I believe that the Spirit is a manifestation of God, but not Father Himself.
Kinda parallels the Word, Father relationship.
They are separate but one.
I don't believe Paul was a servant of sin, and neither am I...thanks be to God.

Verse 25 is the synopsis of the chapter, and in concert with Romans 6, which outlines the death of the flesh, is Paul's exhibition of the difference between flesh and mind-Spiritual walks.
In Rom 6 Paul has shown that the flesh is dead. He is no longer in the flesh.
He now is led by the mind, which is Christ's.
With the mind now in control over the flesh he serves the law of God.

Ever fasted?
It's a great way to show the skin who is the boss.
The mind of those in love with Christ will not allow the hands or eyes to serve anything but God.

 

[stonesoffire]

What is the proper way to preach/teach grace/unmerited mercy?

Thread here;
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159712-what-proper-way-preach-grace.html

Here is my view;

Romans 2:4, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and tolerance, and patience, not knowing that the kindness of YHWH leads you to repentance?”

If preaching grace is done in a way that says there is no need to obey, it is licentiousness.

Jude 1:4, “For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior YHWH into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah.”

Jeremiah 7:9-11, “Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal, follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says YHWH.”

If preaching grace is done in a way that says we should now be obedient Yah, it is right.

Romans 3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law.”

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law* through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law*!"

Romans, “6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin* that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it?"

*What is sin, that we may not continue in it?

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Romans 2:4, “Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and tolerance, and patience, not knowing that the kindness of YHWH leads you to repentance?”]

This isn't a proper way to make a point Hiz. You have taken many scriptures out of the setting where they are found, to make a point, and no one can tell if they are the same thought unless one goes to the scripture and reads the whole of the chapter, or chapters.

Plus, why not concentrate on promises that we are to live and walk by? To build one up in faith rather than cause a condemning heart, and even accusation though it's not done obviously I'm sure. It's of your mindset. You haven't really seen what it is to walk by faith or you would post the promises you are living by.

Sorry to be blunt, but it's truth.

25 God put Yeshua forward as the kapparah for sin through his faithfulness in respect to his bloody sacrificial death. This vindicated God’s righteousness; because, in his forbearance, he had passed over [with neither punishment nor remission] the sins people had committed in the past;

26 and it vindicates his righteousness in the present age by showing that he is righteous himself and is also the one who makes people righteous on the ground of Yeshua’s faithfulness.

27 So what room is left for boasting? None at all! What kind of Torah excludes it? One that has to do with legalistic observance of rules? No, rather, a Torah that has to do with trusting.

28 Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands.

29 Or is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, he is indeed the God of the Gentiles;

30 because, as you will admit, God is one.o Therefore, he will consider righteous the circumcised on the ground of trusting and the uncircumcised through that same trusting.

31 Does it follow that we abolish Torah by this trusting? Heaven forbid! On the contrary, we confirm Torah.


4 1 Then what should we say Avraham, our forefather, obtained by his own efforts? 2 For if Avraham came to be considered righteous by God because of legalistic observances, then he has something to boast about. But this is not how it is before God!

3 For what does the Tanakh say? “Avraham put his trust in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness.” p 4 Now the account of someone who is working is credited not on the ground of grace but on the ground of what is owed him.

5 However, in the case of one who is not working but rather is trusting in him who makes ungodly people righteous, his trust is credited to him as righteousness.

6 In the same way, the blessing which David pronounces is on those whom God credits with righteousness apart from legalistic observances:

7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered over; 8 Blessed is the man whose sin ADONAI will not reckon against his account.” q

9 Now is this blessing for the circumcised only? Or is it also for the uncircumcised? For we say that Avraham’s trust was credited to his account as righteousness;

10but what state was he in when it was so credited —circumcision or uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision!

11 In fact, he received circumcision as a sign, as a seal of the righteousness he had been credited with on the ground of the trust he had while he was still uncircumcised. This happened so that he could be the father of every uncircumcised person who trusts and thus has righteousness credited to him,

12 and at the same time be the father of every circumcised person who not only has had a b’rit-milah, but also follows in the footsteps of the trust which Avraham avinu had when he was still uncircumcised.

13 For the promise to Avraham and his seedr that he would inherit the world did not come through legalism but through the righteousness that trust produces.

14 For if the heirs are produced by legalism, then trust is pointless and the promise worthless. 15 For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.

All who have been born from above have received the sign of circumcision which is our "flesh" cut, our human nature through Adam that brought death to all mankind. And eternal life through the grace, unmerited favor through our lord Jesus Christ, and empowerment of His Holy Spirit to live as He leads.

We obey, believe His Word, which brings great pleasure to Father, rather than working to be good. For no man can produce anything good by Spirit until flesh is cut off.

That is the purpose of circumcision. The 8th,day we are born of God, inducted into the name Israel, which means he rules as God. A new beginning. One physical, the other spiritual. This is grace. Was to Noah and others in the OT, and now to those who are in Christ, who finished the work of salvation, produced the children of Abraham of faith. Covenant done. Inheritance begun.

Scriptures are from the Hebrew to English version.

 

[PJW]

Romans 3:23 - you said i 'changed the words' and that it should read all 'have fallen short' - specifically past tense - of the glory of God ((your argument being that you no longer fall short of His glory)).

My argument was that if you were correct, then Jesus too must have committed sin.
He didn't, which cancels your POV entirely.

That is clearly not true; the scripture definitely says 'all fall short' - present, ongoing, passive tense.
i showed you that, and you accused me in return of making Christ a sinner and therefore God a liar.

It is rational logic.
If all "fall short", then so did Jesus.
The verse was written before Christ was on earth, and Paul used it to show the Jews that they too needed a Savior.
A Savior who never fell short.
As we can be "in Christ" now, we don't have to fall short either.

So who is the one actually trying to change the words of scripture and who is the one using it improperly, and who is making God out to be a liar?

I think it is just lack of knowledge that led you down a path you never understood before.
I pray you do now.

 

[PJW]

d"
I don't think so.

Look...you posted that God gets offended and cannot cite one verse which states it....you also embellished what JESUS said and change the wording to fit your narrative concerning those who are WITHOUT SIN to those who DO NOT COMMIT SIN.......seeing how you seem to embellish and or twist the word of God to prove your false points....nothing you say carries any weight.....so.....no need for me to engage you......

Jesus probably took baths too: are you going to disagree because "it isn't written"?
He probably sharpened wood working tools too, but we can't prove it from scripture.
If you can't imagine God getting offended, how do you explain the final judgement?
Matt 13:41 says...[FONT=&quot] "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that [/FONT]offend, and them which do iniquity;"
"Offend" who?

 

[PJW]

Actually there are 7 things that God hates....you should read Proverbs 6.......a false witness is one on the list.....embellishing and changing the word to fit your narrative falls under that grouping....

God hates something that doesn't offend Him?

 

[stonesoffire]

And I forgot this point I wanted to make.

To establish the law, is to lift up or out of our new nature, by this new nature, we will establish the law as the natural way of living for the Spiritual man or woman. Not by obedience to these laws, for we are no longer under law, but through the empowerment of grace.

We have a new husband...the old one died, and we are one with the groom.

 

[PJW]

OH, DC, you forgot to point the one HE hates the most, is one who sows DISCORD among brethren.

Proverbs 6:16-19 (ESV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP] haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[SUP]18 [/SUP] a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

For us to be brothers, you will need to be reborn of my Father's seed.

 

[PJW]

OK....define works of wood, hay and stubble as opposed to gold silver and precious stones...both saved and believers......

False converts...who will be burned, and real ones that will enter into paradise.
I will suffer the loss of those I thought loved my God, but I will enter in.

 

[PJW]

Another cherry picked verse with no context......which is....FORSAKING the assembling oneself together and counting the blood of JESUS a common ordinary base thing....NOT SALVATION.......

The context was the verse I replied to from Abigail Zeke.

 

[PJW]

Who are you really.......a previously banned member used to say the exact same thing......and a few other things you say as well?

I don't recall ever using this site before my join date.

Perhaps the obedient aren't as outnumbered as you hope?

 

[Hizikyah]

This isn't a proper way to make a point Hiz. You have taken many scriptures out of the setting where they are found, to make a point, and no one can tell if they are the same thought unless one goes to the scripture and reads the whole of the chapter, or chapters.

In this case a single verse or a passage can never be posted without the entire chapter. Some verses are more standalone than others but of course we need the whole word, I can post entire chapters and boks each post, people already make comments about how I post "reams of Scripture" anduse that to somehow disqualify, so I guess a little Scripture is too little and a lot of Scripture is too much...

I personally think those verses I posted are very valid concerning that prticular topic

Plus, why not concentrate on promises that we are to live and walk by? To build one up in faith rather than cause a condemning heart, and even accusation though it's not done obviously I'm sure. It's of your mindset.

We live in the age of;

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, YHWH will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

mystery; —Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon) From a derivative of μύω [[muo]] (to shut the mouth); a secret or "mystery" (through the idea of silence imposed by initiation into religious rites):—mystery.

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

People today seek something called "soothsayers" I am not calling myself a prophet by any means but can you show me one single Prophet or writer of Scripture that does not stand for obedience to Yah? The majority of my posts are about Yah's call for His people to be oedient, and so many people fight it so much.

You haven't really seen what it is to walk by faith or you would post the promises you are living by. Sorry to be blunt, but it's truth.

What? How would you know anything about how I live my life before Yah? That is a very judgemental statement. Only Yah knows my heart, faith and works. I am only in the Spirit if I post verses that say notinhg about obedience? I find that thought to be against Scripture because the carnal man can not submit to Yah's Law;

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), YHWH; for it his not subject to the Law of YHWH, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please YHWH."

So the gospel is only promises? I thought the gospel was about how to enter the Kingdom?

Matthew 10:7, “And as you go, proclaim, saying, ‘The reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

Mat 4:17, "From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near."

Repent of what? and why, because for the Kingdom is at hand...

2 Thessalonians 1:8, “In flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Yah, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah.”

1 Peter 4:17, "Because it is time for judgment to begin from the House of Yah. And if firstly from us, what is the end of those who do not obey the Good News of Yah?"

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

25 God put Yeshua forward as the kapparah for sin through his faithfulness in respect to his bloody sacrificial death. This vindicated God’s righteousness; because, in his forbearance, he had passed over [with neither punishment nor remission] the sins people had committed in the past;
26 and it vindicates his righteousness in the present age by showing that he is righteous himself and is also the one who makes people righteous on the ground of Yeshua’s faithfulness.
27 So what room is left for boasting? None at all! What kind of Torah excludes it? One that has to do with legalistic observance of rules? No, rather, a Torah that has to do with trusting.
28 Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands.
29 Or is God the God of the Jews only? Isn’t he also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, he is indeed the God of the Gentiles;
30 because, as you will admit, God is one.o Therefore, he will consider righteous the circumcised on the ground of trusting and the uncircumcised through that same trusting.
31 Does it follow that we abolish Torah by this trusting? Heaven forbid! On the contrary, we confirm Torah.

4 1 Then what should we say Avraham, our forefather, obtained by his own efforts? 2 For if Avraham came to be considered righteous by God because of legalistic observances, then he has something to boast about. But this is not how it is before God!
3 For what does the Tanakh say? “Avraham put his trust in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness.” p 4 Now the account of someone who is working is credited not on the ground of grace but on the ground of what is owed him.
5 However, in the case of one who is not working but rather is trusting in him who makes ungodly people righteous, his trust is credited to him as righteousness.
6 In the same way, the blessing which David pronounces is on those whom God credits with righteousness apart from legalistic observances:
7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered over; 8 Blessed is the man whose sin ADONAI will not reckon against his account.” q
9 Now is this blessing for the circumcised only? Or is it also for the uncircumcised? For we say that Avraham’s trust was credited to his account as righteousness;
10but what state was he in when it was so credited —circumcision or uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision!
11 In fact, he received circumcision as a sign, as a seal of the righteousness he had been credited with on the ground of the trust he had while he was still uncircumcised. This happened so that he could be the father of every uncircumcised person who trusts and thus has righteousness credited to him,
12 and at the same time be the father of every circumcised person who not only has had a b’rit-milah, but also follows in the footsteps of the trust which Avraham avinu had when he was still uncircumcised.
13 For the promise to Avraham and his seedr that he would inherit the world did not come through legalism but through the righteousness that trust produces.
14 For if the heirs are produced by legalism, then trust is pointless and the promise worthless. 15 For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.

All who have been born from above have received the sign of circumcision which is our "flesh" cut, our human nature through Adam that brought death to all mankind. And eternal life through the grace, unmerited favor through our lord Jesus Christ, and empowerment of His Holy Spirit to live as He leads.

We obey, believe His Word, which brings great pleasure to Father, rather than working to be good. For no man can produce anything good by Spirit until flesh is cut off.

That is the purpose of circumcision. The 8th,day we are born of God, inducted into the name Israel, which means he rules as God. A new beginning. One physical, the other spiritual. This is grace. Was to Noah and others in the OT, and now to those who are in Christ, who finished the work of salvation, produced the children of Abraham of faith. Covenant done. Inheritance begun.

He died for me I want to live for Him, the rest of this post are ALL Yahshua/Jesus words, the day His words are not considered Gospel there is a problem

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Mat 4:17, “From that time יהושע began to proclaim and to say, “Repent, for the reign of the heavens has drawn near.”

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John/Yahanan 5:24, "Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn't come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

 

[PJW]

seems like they are using it rightly. what does it mean then?

Thanks for asking...
John is writing to a church, about two kinds of men; two kinds of walk.
Those who walk in the light, and those who walk in the darkness.
Those who walk in the light have had ALL their sins cleansed by the blood of Christ. They CAN say they have no sin.
Those who walk in darkness cannot say they have no sin, because they do continue to commit sin.
John uses an A-B, A-B, A-B style of writing. (Also used by Paul in Romans 8...Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh, Spirit-flesh.)
A applies to those who walk in the light and B applies to those who walk in the darkness.
Verses 5, 7, and 9 refer to those who walk in the light.
Verses 6, 8, and 10 refer to those who walk in the darkness.

A...
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

B...
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us..

Hope that helps.

 

[PJW]

Yes, I saw this. PJW needs to be brought to light, Scripture clearly teaches those who claim to be sinless are deceived. I pray God sets him free.

Free?
Free to continue in sin?
No thanks, Christ has fred me from service to sin.
He said the "truth" would do that, in John 8:32-34.