THE RAPTURE

[miknik5]

First of all, no one taught this information to me, for I have been studying scripture on my own for many years. Second, the error that you claim that I have, is the same one that is keeping you from understanding. In Matt.24:15, Jesus quoted Daniel regarding the abomination being set up in the holy place. Second, Jesus cannot possibly be the "He" of Dan.9:27 and that because it would have him as the one who sets up the abomination, which is against God. And thirdly, the event of the abomination being set up is still future, with Christ returning 3 1/2 years later, sometime after the 7th bowl has been poured out.

But I'm sure that you are going to stick to your belief, just as I am going to stick to mine. We'll just have to see how everything plays out.

plain word is not reading and understanding Daniel 9:26-27.

I dont know how he is missing this

 

[miknik5]

It's just saying that they did not deny Jesus at martyrdom.

That is how they overcame.

Postrib adherents seem to think an "overcomer" is someone that skips the gathering,rapture,and gets chased into a cave by the Satan man.

An "overcomer" is identified in 1 John 5 as those who REMAIN in HIM and do not "go out" from HIM.
Nit by power or by might, but by HIS SPIRIT

In the times of trouble, it will be made manifest those who "go out" from HIM from those who "REMAIN IN HIM"

 

[PlainWord]

Your continued skirting around the two questions I asked you is telling in and of itself.

And now your trying to shift the eyes onto me as being difficult is still your skirting the two questions asked

What two questions? BTW, you dodged all of mine.

 

[PlainWord]

plain word is not reading and understanding Daniel 9:26-27.

I dont know how he is missing this

I think Gary and I have explained to all of you very nicely. The 70 weeks ran concurrently without break. These weeks were for Daniel's people and their city (Jerusalem) to complete certain things, all of which have been completed by the time we come to the single biggest event in the history of the world, which was the Cross. Those weeks had nothing to do with some future antichrist coming to deceive people. Neither the antichrist or his deception were listed as things to be accomplished.

I don't understand how you can invent a 2,000 + year gap. Actually I can. You like inventing things out of thin air, like the pre-trib rapture doctrine and the so-called Tribulation Saints, etc.

 

[PlainWord]

Oh boy scratch out my last post. I have no idea what "auto correct" did.

I realized my error. I know that it wasn't John who actually asked the angel but that it was the angel who asked John

I wish your auto corrector would fix your rapture doctrine too, LOL

 

[miknik5]

What two questions? BTW, you dodged all of mine.

You answered them for me which actually prompted my second question regarding CHRIST and where HIS SPIRIT is.

If HE is separate from the FATHER and lives then there must be (according to you) two HOLY SPIRITS in Heaven,

the other question i don't really care about anymore. Others have inadvertently answered it

 

[miknik5]

I wish your auto corrector would fix your rapture doctrine too, LOL

Oh how haughty of you

 

[miknik5]

I think Gary and I have explained to all of you very nicely. The 70 weeks ran concurrently without break. These weeks were for Daniel's people and their city (Jerusalem) to complete certain things, all of which have been completed by the time we come to the single biggest event in the history of the world, which was the Cross. Those weeks had nothing to do with some future antichrist coming to deceive people. Neither the antichrist or his deception were listed as things to be accomplished.

I don't understand how you can invent a 2,000 + year gap. Actually I can. You like inventing things out of thin air, like the pre-trib rapture doctrine and the so-called Tribulation Saints, etc. [/QUOTE
Like I told you already I hold to nothing regarding pre mid or post trib. I hold to HIM only and HIS FAITHFUL PROMISES to HIS BODY. those who REMAIN IN HIM (who do not go out from HIM who is THE REFUGE) and have THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS.

 

[miknik5]

I think Gary and I have explained to all of you very nicely. The 70 weeks ran concurrently without break. These weeks were for Daniel's people and their city (Jerusalem) to complete certain things, all of which have been completed by the time we come to the single biggest event in the history of the world, which was the Cross. Those weeks had nothing to do with some future antichrist coming to deceive people. Neither the antichrist or his deception were listed as things to be accomplished.

I don't understand how you can invent a 2,000 + year gap. Actually I can. You like inventing things out of thin air, like the pre-trib rapture doctrine and the so-called Tribulation Saints, etc.

By the way, you and Gary are free. No one is holding you to anything nor is anyone looking to you as THEIR REFUGE AND SAFEHAVEN

 

[miknik5]

Plain word,

please forgive me for my passion

you see the issue is not who is who is not right about the time of the rapture but that the GOSPEL be preached to all men while it is still the time of GOD's FAVOR

 

[miknik5]

Which is why we were called to preach CHRIST and the MESSAGE of THE CROSS to all men so that all men who are outside the DOOR might hear the GOSPEL of their salvation which is in and only in CHRIST and come to HIM who is the DOOR UNTO THE KINGDOM and THE ONE and ONLY SHEPHERD over the WHOLE HOUSE/FLOCK for GOD

 

[miknik5]

Those who did not love their lives to the death their works were that they simply trusted by faith in HIS SOVEREIGNTY in all things: in seasons of plenty. And more importantly in seasons of "Job" and they did not "go out" from HIM

They weren't "the violent men of the covenant" who went out by their own flesh to uproot, to avenge, to rain fire down upon any, to live by the sword, clearly making manifest by their violent actions that they did not truly know of whose SPIRIT they claimed themselves to be of

Not by power or by might sayeth the LORD
But by HIS SPIRIT

Blessed are those who die IN THE LORD from now on
Yes says THE SPIRIT, for "their works" shall precede them

what "works" do you think you can do when darkness comes?

 

[PlainWord]

Plain word,

please forgive me for my passion

you see the issue is not who is who is not right about the time of the rapture but that the GOSPEL be preached to all men while it is still the time of GOD's FAVOR

Obviously I agree that preaching the Gospel is critically important. But it is also important to warn people of what is coming and repeat the many warnings as I do believe we are in the last days.

 

[miknik5]

Plain word? Concern yourself with heeding those warnings by ______________?

The right answer to this is REMAIN IN HIM, do not "go out " from HIM: do not avenge, do not take matters into your own hands, trust in HIS FAITHFUL PROMISES, pray and never cease from praying and hate what those in the day of darkness love

For GOD will put a mark on the foreheads of those who are appalled by all the atrocities which will come in the time of evil
Don't misrepresent HIS SPIRIT by what you do or don't do because truth and even natural love will be cast down
make a right judgement between what is good and what is evil and do not allow your hand to have a part in any evil towards any man for that already is UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

Do not assume that you are righting a wrong or an offense before GOD by doing the works of the wrong kingdom. Do not put bitter for sweet, evil for good, darkness for light

Know the difference between the works wrought in GOD from the works wrought of the wrong father and have no part with these works

 

[miknik5]

May GOD keep us strong that we may be able to stand and not be ashamed before HIM

 

[PlainWord]

The right answer to this is REMAIN IN HIM, do not "go out " from HIM: do not avenge, do not take matters into your own hands, trust in HIS FAITHFUL PROMISES, pray and never cease from praying and hate what those in the day of darkness love

Not to disagree, but the warnings I was speaking of were not about "remaining in Him" as in staying true or anything like that. This passage:

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

Means that a False One is coming who will claim to be Christ. His surrogates will try to convince people that Christ is here. Stay in your house if this happens to you. DO NOT GO OUT!!

I don't know what happens to those who go, but it can't be good.

 

[PlainWord]

For GOD will put a mark on the foreheads of those who are appalled by all the atrocities which will come in the time of evil

You do know that this isn't a literal mark, right? Actually it isn't even a mark anyway, it is a "seal."

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God...[SUP]3 [/SUP]saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

This simply means that the 4 angels are not allowed to go out until the truth is sealed in the minds of the 144K.

 

[miknik5]

Not to disagree, but the warnings I was speaking of were not about "remaining in Him" as in staying true or anything like that. This passage:

[SUP]23 [/SUP]“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. [SUP]25 [/SUP]See, I have told you beforehand.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]“Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.

Means that a False One is coming who will claim to be Christ. His surrogates will try to convince people that Christ is here. Stay in your house if this happens to you. DO NOT GO OUT!!

I don't know what happens to those who go, but it can't be good.

This is what happens: a bird feast.


Which is why we are to have the RIGHT GARMENT for only those who have the RIGHT GARMENT can come to the Wedding feast of THE LAMB

 

[miknik5]

You do know that this isn't a literal mark, right? Actually it isn't even a mark anyway, it is a "seal."

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God...[SUP]3 [/SUP]saying, “Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.”

This simply means that the 4 angels are not allowed to go out until the truth is sealed in the minds of the 144K.

Please refer to Ezekiel 9

 

[miknik5]

Revelation 7 has to do with the Jewish remnant. The 144,000 of the 12 tribes of Israel who will go out and preach the GOSPEL and who will ultimately be killed

these others who will receive a mark on their foreheads are those who will be a part identified to the "inner courts" before the craftsmen are sent out