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Amen to that! The 'he' who confirms the covenant with many, in Dan.9:27, is the one who also stops the offerings and sacrifices of Israel in their temple, and who then sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15 and in Mk.13:14,confirmed by Paul in 2 Thess.2:4; the man of lawlessness, i.e. the beast out of the sea, Satan will give his throne, power and great authority to, in Rev.13:1-2; the Antichrist! Jesus never made any seven year covenants, but rather, forever!
Quasar92
Hello Quasar92,
Now that is amazing! For Revelation tells us exactly what the seals, trumpets and bowls are, they are the fulfillment of the day of the Lord, the hour of trial, Zeph.1:1-3, Isa.13:12 and many, many more prophesies regarding God's wrath leading up to the Lord's return to end the age. The only reason that PW would have a different interpretation for them, is because it doesn't fit his interpretation of end-time events. Like the ridiculous claim that the great tribulation is only 45 days in length. And I know that he is getting that idea from Dan.12, which says "blessed is he who comes to the 1335 day. The truth is that Jesus identified the length of the great tribulation as beginning from the setting up of the abomination in the holy place until his return to end the age, which will be shortly after the 7th bowl has been poured out, 3 1/2 years after the setting up of the abomination.
Regarding this, we are told in Rev.15:1 that the bowl judgments, as a unit, complete God's wrath, which would infer that there would have to be wrath prior to them, ergo, the seals and the trumpets. Through these three sets of seven judgments is how the Lord is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.
Man doesn't give worthwhile qualifications and I assume you are exhibit 1? The Pharisees also were trained by man. How good were they in correctly interpreting the Word? Were they able to recognize their Messiah?
Again, get out of Dan 9 and into Dan 11 if you want to locate the Abomination of Desolation and the Great Tribulation. Whether you agree with me, or not, concerning Daniel's 70 weeks, you have to know that the Abomination of Desolation isn't even found in Dan 9. The term isn't there!!! It can be found only in Dan 11 and 12. So, why do you completely ignore those passages?
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I must have missed that verse. Can you locate it for me? Which verse tells us that all 7 of the seals, trumpets and bowls are the fulfillment of the Day of the Lord? I agree some are, but not all.
You do not have a 3-1/2 year prophesy for the GT. You wrongly apply Dan 9 to get this and the A of D is not even found in Dan 9!!!
This: "...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" Dan 9
DOES NOT EQUAL THIS:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place..." Mat 24
Mat 24 INSTEAD EQUALS THIS:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Dan 11
If you stop for 5 minutes and get out of your own head and look at this with an open mind, you will see that it is the fortress of the sanctuary which is defiled and not the sanctuary itself. The wall that goes around the temple is part of the fortress, see below chart and I didn't draw it, I googled it. Towards the top of the picture where it says "Court of the Gentiles" on the back side is where the Western Wall or Wailing Wall is located. I should know, I've been there 5 times!!
This is why neither Jesus nor Daniel uses the word, "temple" to describe where the A of D is set up. The reason it isn't set up at the Temple is pretty obvious because... THERE IS NO TEMPLE!!! Sorry for yelling, just trying to get through to you. We know there will not be a third temple because of Dan 9:
...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This is saying Christ shall make it (the Temple) desolate because of the overflowing of their abominable sins and it (the Temple) shall remain desolate until the Wrath of God is poured out as a consuming fire on the desolate (those not invited to the Kingdom).
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Yes! I earned qualifications from Prairie Bible Institute, in Three Hills, Alberta, Canada and from Liberty University, in Lynchburg, VA, where Dr. Harold Wilmington was my mentor! You have an oversized ego, with a belief system that comes from Lower Slobovia. Without the authorization of any Christian authority, except from your denomination of one, PlainWord!
If you have nothing to contribute to the subject of this thread, then don't post. Attacking others will only bring you vinegar, rather than honey!
Quasar92
You attacked first my friend insinuating that I have no right to be on here and you do because of your degrees. Neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates graduated from college and they did okay against the Ivy Leaguers. It isn't where you went to college or what degrees you earned or how many, it's what they taught you. I wouldn't spend a dime to send either of my kids to Stanford or Berkley. They would come out of there with mush for brains and end up supporting Bernie Sanders and joining BLM.
It is not my desire to attack you but I will not allow you to put me down or the things that I have found and learned from independent study. If they teach what I teach in Lower Slobovia, then they have some things on the ball going for them. I told you before that I have a tremendous advantage over most Bible students because my brain wasn't washed. Besides, there are plenty of people who see things pretty much the way I do. Go Google "Two Witnesses" and you will find plenty who say pretty much the same as I do.
There are many powerful and famous "men of God" who are completely blind in some areas of the Bible. According to Gallup 31% of all Americans think every word in the Bible is to be taken literally. Are you one of them? I'm not saying the Bible isn't the total authority of God, it is the 100% inspired Word of God!!! However, the Bible employs much figurative language just like any good novel does. God is a brilliant writer, the best
. He isn't going to write using boring literal language all the way through. I wonder, did they teach you that at Prairie or Liberty? Dr. Harold Wilmington went to Dallas Theological Seminary and Moody. They are big time pre-tribbers!! My dad went to Moody so not meaning to offend all the good that they teach correctly. But frankly, no wonder you think the way you do. I am sure Wilmington was or is a brilliant man who loves the Lord and a great professor but if he's one of those 31%, you got 2/3 of a full education. Sorry to be blunt but its true.
If you do not understand figurative language and how to discern between it and the literal, put down Revelation, put down Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Psalms, Zechariah and just about every other prophetic book because you missed most of their true meanings.
Hope this helps
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You attacked first my friend insinuating that I have no right to be on here and you do because of your degrees. Neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates graduated from college and they did okay against the Ivy Leaguers. It isn't where you went to college or what degrees you earned or how many, it's what they taught you. I wouldn't spend a dime to send either of my kids to Stanford or Berkley. They would come out of there with mush for brains and end up supporting Bernie Sanders and joining BLM.
It is not my desire to attack you but I will not allow you to put me down or the things that I have found and learned from independent study. If they teach what I teach in Lower Slobovia, then they have some things on the ball going for them. I told you before that I have a tremendous advantage over most Bible students because my brain wasn't washed. Besides, there are plenty of people who see things pretty much the way I do. Go Google "Two Witnesses" and you will find plenty who say pretty much the same as I do.
There are many powerful and famous "men of God" who are completely blind in some areas of the Bible. According to Gallup 31% of all Americans think every word in the Bible is to be taken literally. Are you one of them? I'm not saying the Bible isn't the total authority of God, it is the 100% inspired Word of God!!! However, the Bible employs much figurative language just like any good novel does. God is a brilliant writer, the best
Dr. Harold Wilmington went to Dallas Theological Seminary and Moody. They are big time pre-tribbers!! My dad went to Moody so not meaning to offend all the good that they teach correctly. But frankly, no wonder you think the way you do. I am sure Wilmington was or is a brilliant man who loves the Lord and a great professor but if he's one of those 31%, you got 2/3 of a full education. Sorry to be blunt but its true.
If you do not understand figurative language and how to discern between it and the literal, put down Revelation, put down Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Psalms, Zechariah and just about every other prophetic book because you missed most of their true meanings.
Hope this helps
FYI, I did no such thing as "attack you first!" I rebuked your false views! I will rebuke the false belief system you propagate whenever it crosses my path, with vigor. You labor under false pretenses to elevate yourself, and fabricated interpretation you hoist above qualified and trained theologians, from an untrained source!
Quasar92
You propagate the Great Pre-Tribulation Lie and I will rebut the lies you are attempting to spread throughout the Church anywhere and everywhere I see them.
Christ makes it clear, HE COMES AFTER the great tribulation and not before it. Paul makes it clear, "THAT DAY (day Christ returns) WILL NOT COME UNTIL..." Paul says to do not be deceived by any means. That any means includes YOU. The sad thing is you don't even realize you are doing it.
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it's been 2hrs since the last post. (Potter looks left then right) it seem the dust has settled and the smoke cleared.
(He hesitates for a moment ) then he asks....
What is the thousand yr. reign for? Why not skip that ?
(He hesitates for a moment ) then he asks....
What is the thousand yr. reign for? Why not skip that ?
What does Daniel 9:27 say about a temple?I must have missed that verse. Can you locate it for me? Which verse tells us that all 7 of the seals, trumpets and bowls are the fulfillment of the Day of the Lord? I agree some are, but not all.
You do not have a 3-1/2 year prophesy for the GT. You wrongly apply Dan 9 to get this and the A of D is not even found in Dan 9!!!
This: "...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate" Dan 9
DOES NOT EQUAL THIS:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place..." Mat 24
Mat 24 INSTEAD EQUALS THIS:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation. Dan 11
If you stop for 5 minutes and get out of your own head and look at this with an open mind, you will see that it is the fortress of the sanctuary which is defiled and not the sanctuary itself. The wall that goes around the temple is part of the fortress, see below chart and I didn't draw it, I googled it. Towards the top of the picture where it says "Court of the Gentiles" on the back side is where the Western Wall or Wailing Wall is located. I should know, I've been there 5 times!!
This is why neither Jesus nor Daniel uses the word, "temple" to describe where the A of D is set up. The reason it isn't set up at the Temple is pretty obvious because... THERE IS NO TEMPLE!!! Sorry for yelling, just trying to get through to you. We know there will not be a third temple because of Dan 9:
...and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This is saying Christ shall make it (the Temple) desolate because of the overflowing of their abominable sins and it (the Temple) shall remain desolate until the Wrath of God is poured out as a consuming fire on the desolate (those not invited to the Kingdom).
And I believe that the LORD knows better what Daniel was prophecying:
if HE told HIS DISCIPLES "when you see standing in the temple the abomination which causes desolation as spoken by Daniel, HE was forewarning them that they should keep in mind that when they see this they should flee
if HE told HIS DISCIPLES "when you see standing in the temple the abomination which causes desolation as spoken by Daniel, HE was forewarning them that they should keep in mind that when they see this they should flee
My post 1247 is the first Biblical teaching of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, by Jesus, Matthew, Luke , John and Paul.
The following is Biblical proof for the pre-trib rapture of the Church, and my second post:
The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:16-17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!
Fully endorsed by the following men of God from every walk of Christian teachings:
1. Frank L. Gaebelein, A.M., Litt.D., Headmaster Emiritus, The Stoney Brook School; 2. William Culbertson, D.D., L.L.D., President, Moody Bible Institute; 3. Charles L. Feinberg, ThD., PhD., Dean, Talbot Theological Seminary; 4. Allan A. Mac Rae, A.M., PhD., President, Biblical School of Theology; 5. Clarence E. Mason, Jr., Th.M., D.D., Dean, Philadelphia College of Bible; 6. Alva J. Mc Clain, Th.M., D.D., President Emeritus, Grace Theological Seminary; 7. Wilbur M. Smith, D.D., Editor, Peloubet's Select Notes; 8. John F. Walvoord, A.M., Th.D., President, Dallas Theological Seminary; 9. C.I. Scofield, D.D., Editor, Scofield Bible; 10. Editorial Committee Chairman, J. E. Schuyler English, Litt.D.
Chuck Missler, Koinonia House, Charles Stanley, Baptist minister, Zola Levitt, Levitt's Ministries, Miles Weiss, Zola Levitt's Ministries, Moishe Rosen, Jew's For Jesus Org., David Bickner, Jew's For Jesus Org., Mitch Glaser, His Chosen People Minisries Dwight Pentecost, Dean at Dallas Theological Seminary, Harold Wilmington, Dean at Liberty Seminary, Arno Froese, Editor and CEO of Midnight Call Ministries, Thomas Ice, PhD., Author, Jack Van Impe, TV Ministry, Tim Le Haye, Author, Jerry Fallwell, Baptist minister, Billie Graham, TV ministry, Franklin Graham, TV ministry, Dr. Ron Carlson, Dr. Wilfred Hahn, Dave Hunt, Ed Decker and Dr. Norbert Lieth.
Either prove any part of those two posts to be false by the Scriptures, or your views are!
Quasar92
Is the Great Tribulation mentioned in this passage you cite? NO!!! Why is that? Because the GT is over before this happens. Why do you think Paul says "we who are still alive and remaining?" Alive and remaining from what? A pre-trib day at the beach? We are not discussing whether or not this happens, we are instead discussing WHEN it happens.
There is only one coming. There is only one resurrection of the just as taught throughout the Bible. Daniel locates it in Dan 12 which is probably why you never want to speak of Dan 11-12.
John 14 does not discuss the Great Tribulation.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father’s house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
The Father's house already has the mansions. Who is Christ speaking to? The disciples, right? Are any of the disciples still alive waiting for Christ to return? Are not all of the disciples in heaven right now as souls? Did they come to the Father through Christ or are they still waiting? Next verse:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
You assume that Jesus is talking about His Rapture return and that this is still future. I guess you stopped reading the passage. You want to jump ahead to verse 28 leaving out everything in between, especially verses 16-23 because they are bad for your theory.
I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you!! I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
We will come to him and make Our home with him. Make our home as in mansions? When do they, or when did they make Their home with them? What does that mean Quasar? You're the Bible scholar. What does it mean that the Father and Son will make their homes with us? When do they come and make their home with us, at the rapture or when we become saved?
As a scholar are you familiar with the concept of "THE INDWELLING OF THE FATHER AND SON." They are in us already and if they are in us, they are with us just as Jesus said. For a Believer, the Indwelling happens at the moment of salvation. But for the disciples, they had to wait for the Cross and this event:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
I’ll break my response up in parts.
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You Pre-Tribbers crack me up. So desperate to find the rapture you invent pretty much anything you want to support your theory. I heard Chuck Smith suggest this once too and I nearly drove my car off the road with laughter.
After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
You see this as John symolizing the Church?? I thought you didn't symbolize. I guess you do, but only when it suits you. No brother Quasar, you do not get to allegorize this call to John, and John only, and invent a rapture of the church. The whole church was not called up to heaven and shown things, just John was. Oh, and BTW, John was returned after he was shown those things, did the Church return too or did the church stay up there in 96 AD. Either John went up or the Church did. If it was the Church, then John couldn't have been shown anything and he couldn't have written Revelation.
Why do you skip 2 Thes 2:1-2 and jump to 2 Thes 2:3? Take the whole passage brother.
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, [SUP]2 [/SUP]not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, [SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
In simplest terms, Paul teaches that Christ WILL NOT return until the Man of Sin is revealed claiming to be God.
You know what I find interesting? All of this would be so simple if Christ would have just said, "But before the Great Tribulation starts, I will return to rapture the Church and take you back to heaven." A verse like that and we wouldn't be having this discussion. But such a verse isn't found so we have to play Twister and slice and dice the only return that is taught and use man's divination to try and make our theory fit.
A prophet is a teacher, right? Ezekiel warns us about false prophets in Eze 13 as they make up things and want to Lord to confirm them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
The Lord has not spoken of two raptures. He has not spoken of multiple returns. He teaches ONE RETURN AFTER THE TRIBULATION.
There is but one wedding and one Bride. All those saved will be the Bride. Since it happens after the Tribulation it includes these pesky so-called "tribulation saints" which is another concept not taught.
What are you talking about, leaving no other options? Zech 14:4-5 destroys your theory, it doesn't bolster it. This discussing the Second Coming, the Day of the Lord. The mighty army from heaven happens after the GT and in response to it. The GT is found in Zech 13:8-9 and the Wrath is found in Zec 14 just as I have been saying. The GT is found in Dan 11 and the Wrath is found in Dan 12 followed by the Resurrection, just as I have been saying. In the Olivet, The GT is found in Mat 24:21 and the Wrath at His Second coming 29-31. In Joel, the GT is found in Chapter 1 and the Wrath and Second Coming are in Chapter 2. In Ezekiel the GT is found ahead of the wrath in Chapter 38.
It is always in this order:
Great Tribulation (attack on Israel)
God's Wrath in Response
Second Coming
Resurrection
That is quite a long list of false prophets when it comes to eschatology. Many good men on that list. Those that have died I'm sure got an earful when they got to heaven about some of their teachings. As I said, most of the Bible experts in Christ day got a few things wrong too. This is what happens when you put man's agenda ahead of God's and man's words ahead of God's Words.
Yeah, I'm not happy to be in the minority when you look at this long list of esteemed men. But isn't that how God works? Didn't Paul predict this?
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.
1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
I don't know why I am among the minority chosen to be shown the truth about the end times scenario. But I do know that I've been given a mission to speak out against this pre-trib rapture lie for the glory of the Kingdom.
Temple? What temple? Neither Jesus nor Daniel used the word, "Temple." In fact they both go out of their ways to call it something else.
Jesus calls the place when the Abomination of Desolation will be placed "the holy place."
Daniel calls it, "the Sanctuary Fortress."
Both are on record using the word, "Temple" before so if they meant "temple" they would have said, "temple." Because nether said "temple" we can be pretty sure the A of D will not be in any temple.
It is clear from Daniel 11 that the holy place spoken of by Jesus is the sanctuary fortress. The fortress of the sanctuary, the only part still standing is a little piece of the Western Wall called the Wailing Wall. This is the place of sacrifice, i.e. prayer. It is this piece of the holiest site of the Jews that will be defiled.
The Man of Sin aka King of the North claims to be God in the "Temple of God" according to Paul. Daniel doesn't tell us where that happens. There are many Temples or Churches where this could happen. But this is a separate event from the A of D.
According to Daniel 12 this is the order of events.
1) The Wailing Wall is defiled ending the daily prayers
2) 1,290 days later, the Abomination of Desolation is set up starting the Great Tribulation
3) 45 days later Christ returns (but those days are cut short so we don't know the day or hour)
Once the wailing wall is defiled ending the daily prayers (or sacrifices as they used to be called) people like Quasar and Popeye will be singing a different tune.
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Dan 9:27 tells us that the "temple" will remain desolate until the wrath is poured out. This means there will be no third man-made temple. If there was, God would certainly not recognize it. This is why the Dome of the Rock has stood there for 1,400 years and survived the Crusades because God does not want there to be another Temple until Christ returns.
HERE WILL BE TWO MORE TEMPLES BUILT IN ISRAEL
The tribulation temple:
Mat.24:15 and in Mk.13:14 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…in Dan.8:27.
2 Thess. 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"
Rev. 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."
The Millennial temple:
Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."
Zech. 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord. Described in Ez.40-47.
At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem,
the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two
Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on
the Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple
Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder
the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any
formula for peace in the Middle East!
According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple
Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future
temple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all
kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take
place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the
Temple Mount platform!
Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a
future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies
refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1
Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of
Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians
6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer
is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy
Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the
biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem.
The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize
that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple
Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a
Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up
His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with
these two future temples.
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Quasar92
You're so busy with the fabrication you post, you don't have time to read the Scriptures that have been posted refuting you, such as posted below:
2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].
The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.
In vs 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.
Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD. [Confirming Rev.4:1-2]
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].
Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.
From: http://www.raptureready.com/featured...onians2_3.html
"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.
The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In vs 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."
The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:
In vs 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].
The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.
From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.
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