getting dates about a young earth

[Tintin]

Yes this is correct, as I mentioned earlier Land is still being formed today,Pangea sure, we know the continents are moving today.

was Pangea flooded then reformed reshaped at light speed it's possible through God.

Rodina was the original supercontinent, Pangea came a little later.

Genesis 1:9

And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so.

The continents as we know them today did not exist in the pre-Flood world. They're a result of the Flood. And Pangea was a temporary supercontinent made up of Flood sediments etc.

Here's a great article on pre-Flood/post-Flood geography:

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/plate-tectonics/noahs-lost-world/

 

[Tintin]

All the major doctrines of the Christian faith start in the early chapters of Genesis (1-11) and can't be understood without this foundation. Here you go:

1) Bibliology: Doctrine of the Scriptures

2) Theology Proper: Doctrine of God eg. the plurality of God

3) Christology: Doctrine of the Son

4) Pneumatology: Doctrine of the Holy Spirit

5) Angelology Poper: Doctrine of Elect Angels

6) Satanology: Doctrine of Satan

7) Demonology: Doctrine of Fallen Angels

8)Anthropology: Doctrine of Man

9) Hamartiology: Doctrine of Sin

10) Soteriology: Doctrine of Salvation

11) Israelology: Doctrine of Israel

12) Ecclesiology: Doctrine of the Church

13) Eschatology: Doctrine of Last Things
- personal eschatology: future of a man or woman after death
- general eschatology: future of the world


If early Genesis is going to be considered allegory or myth, all of this is called into question.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Fossils are one thing. They can be created without any flood, of course. But there were many flood in the history of Earth, so it certainly played a role.
But the layers of fossils from the most simple organism to the todays organism (you will never find a cow between trilobits) cannot be explained by any one-time massive flood few thousand years ago, it would produce some mess mixture of all life, not such nice layers.

Have you ever studied the flood? The flood explains these things perfectly..

A fossil can be made with no flood? Maybe in a tar pit (maybe) but that tar pit would have to harden first, before the animal decomposed or there would be no fossil.

Ice layers - there are annual ice layers that go back to hundred thousand years. If God made Earth young but having the signs of old age, he would have to fake all this layers.

says who, where you there hundreds of thousands of years ago to witness these events? All your giving me is scientific theory, not facts.

Similar with meteorit impacts - there are so many meteorit craters, that it would kill life every hundred years if they all would crush Earth during 6 000 years only. So they are sign of old earth. God would have to fake them too. Similar to craters on moon etc.

And you were there when al these events occurred. You saw them, to know they took this many years?

Paintings in caves, remnants of old civilizations etc are much older than 6 thousand years. Again - God would have to fake them and draw them himself to lead us into false conclusion about our history.

Again, you were there? you can PROVE when these things were written? Again, your giving me theory not proof.

The same with stars and universe history.

So you do not believe God has the power to make the earth and universe in a way it can be used on the week it was created? That saddens me that people believe God can create this glorious universe, But God is limited..

Yes, God can make young univers looking old, but I personally dont believe in such a scenario, when he would fake so many thing just to convince us universe is old, if it is young.

Who said anything about faking us the universe is old.

God made the universe livable. He said he put the stars in the heaven at night for Mans use. Thus he would have had to make the universe usable by man, Why would God put stars in heaven, then wait billions of years for man to be able to use them. Now that, that is a waste of time..

The facts are

1. No one alive today was there
2. Age theories are based on todays rate of decay, And ASSUMES that the rate of decay of isotopes was the same in the begining as it is today. Which is a HUGE assumption.

Finally, The flood answers these questions. Even Peter tried to warn us about the last days, and scoffers of God.

2 Peter 3:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

Carbon dating assumes all things continue the same since the beginning.
as does all the rest of your arguments (stars, fossil arangement, etc)
But peter says the very thing we are seeing today, We willingly forget about a whole earth flood. Which would explain all these things..

 

[BeyondET]

All the major doctrines of the Christian faith start in the early chapters of Genesis (1-11) and can't be understood without this foundation. Here you go:

1) Bibliology: Doctrine of the Scriptures

2) Theology Proper: Doctrine of God eg. the plurality of God

3) Christology: Doctrine of the Son

4) Pneumatology: Doctrine of the Holy Spirit

5) Angelology Poper: Doctrine of Elect Angels

6) Satanology: Doctrine of Satan

7) Demonology: Doctrine of Fallen Angels

8)Anthropology: Doctrine of Man

9) Hamartiology: Doctrine of Sin

10) Soteriology: Doctrine of Salvation

11) Israelology: Doctrine of Israel

12) Ecclesiology: Doctrine of the Church

13) Eschatology: Doctrine of Last Things
- personal eschatology: future of a man or woman after death
- general eschatology: future of the world


If early Genesis is going to be considered allegory or myth, all of this is called into question.

For many years I have heard many say this statement (Fallen Angels) It is the use of the words or saying concept of (Fallen Angels) Though surely this is demonology for this saying had to be made up by a demon in thinking it still has existing status quo.. In my view the fallen ones lost that title when they fell.. If a Christian leaves and becomes a atheist they are not called atheist Christians just a atheist. The same can be said about the fallen ones fallen spirits fallen sinners etc. but for me personally in my view that's giving status quo to them.

 

[Dan_473]

Serpent was satan, in reality. Thats the hard part of Gen 2. Full of allegories.

would you say that gen 1 could be allegorical as well? if so, then imo the days could be 24-hours and not conflict with mainstream science.

 

[Dan_473]

If I may,

Moses wrote this story of creation, how and where did he get his information?

I think there were times when moses and God spoke face-to-face. My guess is that God told him during one of those meetings.

 

[Dan_473]

By your logic, sin entered the world through one man (Adam) who was allegorical or mythical etc. And death birthed from sin. By your logic, the one God-man (Jesus Christ) who came to rectify this, to save us from sin and death - to put things right, would also be allegorical or mythical. Because: internal consistency. If the First Adam is fiction, so must the Last Adam. If there's a real First Adam who buggered up creation for everyone and ushered sin and death into the world, there must be a real Last Adam to restore humanity to God. If Adam and the Fall are fiction, we have nothing to be saved from. If Adam is fiction, we don't need a Saviour. It's that simple. Evolution and other old earth mythologies make nonsense of the Gospel for this very reason and many others.

I agree that it's wise to be very careful with allegorical interpretation.

some examples of reckless use:

on the third day, it's not plants that are being made, but "life-force"... since plants are the first living things made. that's why Jesus rises on the third day.

when God says "let there be light", that's God creating Wisdom.

 

[Eternallife]

Christ never mentions the date of creation so therefore I believe it isn't important for us to know.

 

[Dan_473]

Christ never mentions the date of creation so therefore I believe it isn't important for us to know.

Jesus talked about how humans live by every word that God says...

how a person deals with the genesis stories and science will greatly impact how they understand what God says...imo.

 

[Eternallife]

Jesus talked about how humans live by every word that God says...

how a person deals with the genesis stories and science will greatly impact how they understand what God says...imo.

Like I said Christ never mentions it.

 

[Dan_473]

Like I said Christ never mentions it.

true, scripture doesn't say that Jesus talked about the date of creation.

Jesus does say that not knowing the scriptures can lead a person to make mistakes.

 

[BeyondET]

To be some what correct the solar time and Galaxy time go hand and hand for it is our spinning solar system that exists within a spinning Galaxy . Day in each rather it be solar/galactic/infinite is still a day just measured differently. 1-6 day of creation Galaxy time, the light on the first the (heavens) the Milky Way,, Earth being just matter with no form and void like within a Nebula. Our sun n moon and earth formed created on the forth day so when humans created on the Six day we can have something to tell our solar time and for seasons, warmth etc. and signs of time in the Galaxy time.

 

[RobbyEarl]

when was water created? To say that heavens and the Earth were the first day is erroneous. Heaven is where God dwells and could not be created on the first day.

 

[Eternallife]

I don't really trust carbon dating not because I think it is evil I just don't trust it because once I had a banana that got rotted for about seven days in about an orderly fashion each day. However, on the eighth day it looked like it was two hundred days old.

 

[Tintin]

when was water created? To say that heavens and the Earth were the first day is erroneous. Heaven is where God dwells and could not be created on the first day.

The phrase ‘heaven(s) and earth’ in Genesis 1:1 is an example of a Hebrew figure of speech called a merism, in which two opposites are combined into an all-encompassing single concept. Throughout the Bible (e.g. Genesis 14:19, 22; 2 Kings 19:15; Psalm 121:2) this means the totality of creation, not just the Earth and its atmosphere, or our solar system alone. It is used because Hebrew has no word for ‘the universe’ and can at best say ‘the all’.

Source: Leupold, H.C., Exposition of Genesis

 

[valiant]

when was water created? To say that heavens and the Earth were the first day is erroneous. Heaven is where God dwells and could not be created on the first day.

where God dwells is not included in the story of creation. It is heaven and earth as we know it, the physical universe

 

[valiant]

true, scripture doesn't say that Jesus talked about the date of creation.

Jesus does say that not knowing the scriptures can lead a person to make mistakes.

but Jesus interpretation of Scripture would be far different from ours

 

[Dan_473]

but Jesus interpretation of Scripture would be far different from ours

very true, in some cases.

Luke says "Then he (the risen Christ) opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures."

 

[BeyondET]

The phrase ‘heaven(s) and earth’ in Genesis 1:1 is an example of a Hebrew figure of speech called a merism, in which two opposites are combined into an all-encompassing single concept. Throughout the Bible (e.g. Genesis 14:19, 22; 2 Kings 19:15; Psalm 121:2) this means the totality of creation, not just the Earth and its atmosphere, or our solar system alone. It is used because Hebrew has no word for ‘the universe’ and can at best say ‘the all’.

Source: Leupold, H.C., Exposition of Genesis

probably included also the word Galaxy, surely others like nuclear fusion, plasma etc..

 

[DiscipleDave]

Supporters of YEC must live in a huge tension with the outside world.

Of coarse we do, EXACTLY like Jesus said we would. Jesus said Marvel not if the world hates you because it hated me (TRUTH) first. Is it not written that satan is the god of this world? YES he is the god of this world. So is it any wonder if those who know the TRUTH and know God would have huge tension with the outside world, which is evil beyond compare.

1. You must throw out all ancient cultures records (Egypt, China...) and archeology as fairy tales, because they seem to predate the flood according to young earth dating.

At least you said it right, it SEEMS to predate, and NOT that it DOES predate.

2. You must dismiss all the human civilization relics predating 6000 years as wrongly dated or falsified.

i don't have to dismiss all the human civilization relicss have to say, all i have to do it believe what God said as the TRUTH, pretty simple, that even children could grasp it.

3. You must dismiss virtually all sorts of dating except some primitive counting games with numbers.

And you must just take their word for it that there dating method is accurate. So you choose to believe men over what God plainly teaches, that is on you. i dismiss anyone who teaches things that are contrary to what God plainly teaches. It's not that hard really, BELIEVE God NOT men, pretty simple.

4. You cannot read almost any scientific magazine, watch almost any scientific documentary, without the feeling they are trying to get you.

lol, and what kind of magazine would be present in a world that is ruled by satan? What kind of documentaries would be present in a Godless society? What kind of propaganda would be EVERYWHERE in the last days, which God is going to destroy? Isn't satan refereed to as the Prince of the Air (airways)? So you go ahead and believe all the Magizines present in the Last Days, you continue to believe the documentaries that come from MAN, instead of believing the Word of God which comes from God.

5. You must believe that distant light from stars was somehow "brought in to us" suddenly or that laws of physics changed drastically in already created universe.

You do error not understanding the TRUTH, The Universe is a part of Heaven, and has existed for eons prior to the Earth ever being created. It is the Earth and Atmosphere that was created in 6 days. NOT the universe

6. You must dismiss dendrochronology.

i don't even know what the means, i am a simple man, and just believe God, not what men teach and then call it something fancy.

7. You must believe that millions of scientists (including christian scientists) do not know how to do their job (or are lying).

i believe anyone who has not been taught the Truth by the HOLY Ghost of God is ignorant of the TRUTH's of God. How many Scientists thought the World was flat? How many swore and published that it took millions of years for a stalagmite to form in a cave, when in reality it only took so many years. How many Scientists said it was a fact that petrified wood took millions of years to form, yet in reality it took only years. How many Scientist claimed it took billions of years for the Grand Canyon to be formed, and they too are WRONG when the FACTS present themselves. So i guess scientist throughout the past have been continually WRONG, but scientists today are dead on the money. LOL, blind leading the blind.

8. You must believe that massive flood put perfect layers from the most simple organism to todays animals all over the world.

i must not believe that, The only thing that i have to do is believe God and what He said He did. That's it. You are the one who believes what men teach OVER what God taught. i know there was a flood, NOT because what men teach, NOT because of the Evidence presented, NOT because of fossils, NOT because scientists and what they teach, i know there was a flood because God said there was a Flood. pretty simple really, children can understand this. Leave it to the learned and they that think they KNOW something, to think God is wrong based on what men say is evidence. Those who are ignorant will be ignorant still.

9. You must believe that the vast majority of christians (who are holding theistic evolution, mostly) are terribly mistaken.

Again, i believe the Word of God, only a FEW will find that narrow and difficult path that leads to TRUTH and LIfe Everlasting, and MOST people (even they who claim with their mouths they are Christians, yet they are full of evil deeds) will NOT find TRUTH, nor will MOST people believe the TRUTH when it is presented to them. The Majority of the world believed the world was flat did they not? Is it possible that most people living in a World that satan is the god of, could be wrong? SURE, and they are concerning what God said in His Word. Believe God, no matter how hard it is to accept. We are to become as children in order to enter into the Kingdom of God. Children believe their parents in Everything they say. We as children of God, our Father should believe everything HE tells us in His Word to us, or you can continue to be a spoiled child of God, disagreeing and debating with God Himself, saying and teaching things that are contrary to What God said He did, How can these who do such things escape the Wrath of God when it comes upon this disobedient generation fit for destruction? They won't.

... and many others.

You are putting yourself in to the position, that is very, very similar to the position of the flat earth ideology proponents, medieval church or conspiracy theorists.

Since when does merely believing the Word of God and what it plainly says and teaches considered a position of of the flat Earth ideology proponents, medieval church or conspiracy theorists? OH Wait forgot what generation i am talking too.

And you must do all this only because you believe genealogies in Bible are complete (which is not the purpose of them) and that Adam was created right after the creation of Earth.

i do not believe what i do because of any genealogies in the Bible. i believe what i do because it is plainly written in the Word of God that God created the Earth in 6 days, This YOU do not believe, YOU do not believe the Word of God and what it plainly teaches. And you do not believe it because you have filled your ears with words of men, and what they teach, words of magazines, words of scientists, words of documentaries, words of Darwin, words of those who believe in evolution. ALL WORDS OF MEN, and not from God. You choose who you believe in, God or men. Those who believe in a Young Earth Creation, choose to believe God (Faith) Those who don't believe God, believe in evolution.

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