Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. (Romans 5:12)
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I agree, its a new topic, but related to how to understand Genesis 2 which is again related to our topic of Genesis 1
If you believe in a historicity of Gen 2, lets talk about the history it talks about.And a river proceeds out of Edem to water the garden, thence it divides itself into four heads...
The name of the one, Phisom, this it is which encircles the whole land of Evilat, where there is gold.
And the name of the second river is Geon, this it is which encircles the whole land of Ethiopia.
And the third river is Tigris, this is that which flows forth over against the Assyrians.
And the fourth river is Euphrates.
So, Ethiopia, Assyria... these are post-flood nations, right? So how could river from pre-flood Eden flow into Assyria or Ethiopia?
Again no answer from you, as always
Serpent was satan, in reality. Thats the hard part of Gen 2. Full of allegories.
What animals were cursed except of serpent that represents satan?
Ground was cursed for a man, hard labour to get his bread was the curse.
Again no answer from you, as always
Serpent was satan, in reality. Thats the hard part of Gen 2. Full of allegories.
As if you are providing any answers. I'm just having a conversation with you. You are placing an expectation on me that I cannot fulfill for you.
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BeyondET
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I agree, its a new topic, but related to how to understand Genesis 2 which is again related to our topic of Genesis 1
And a river proceeds out of Edem to water the garden, thence it divides itself into four heads...
The name of the one, Phisom, this it is which encircles the whole land of Evilat, where there is gold.
And the name of the second river is Geon, this it is which encircles the whole land of Ethiopia.
And the third river is Tigris, this is that which flows forth over against the Assyrians.
And the fourth river is Euphrates.
So, Ethiopia, Assyria... these are post-flood nations, right? So how could river from pre-flood Eden flow into Assyria or Ethiopia?
Yes this is correct, as I mentioned earlier Land is still being formed today,Pangea sure, we know the continents are moving today.
was Pangea flooded then reformed reshaped at light speed it's possible through God.
I'm not sure if we're communicating on the "wine" example... let's try using adam.
suppose we could go back and see adam just after God breathed into him.
assuming only natural processes, how long did it take for adam to come about? the carbon atoms in his body would take billions of years to be formed in stars, then become part of the earth.
but now assume supernatural intervention as well as natural processes. how long did it take for adam to come about? I'm saying there's no way to tell, because if a supernatural factor is introduced, then conclusions based on observations of nature would be suspect.
does that make sense?
just the resurrection? not the teachings of Christ? or the explanations from Paul about how faith in God makes us children of Abraham, and heirs of the promise?
"Arpachshad lived thirty-five years, and became the father of Shelah"
this is an interesting situation... because I know I've posted that phrase several times before... of course, we all have times when our eyes gloss over things... but do you not remember seeing that before?
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BeyondET
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The most interesting thing is our planets continents, correct me if I'm wrong I don't think the bible mentions Seven continents land masses. If not then the Pangea idea could have value.
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I agree, its a new topic, but related to how to understand Genesis 2 which is again related to our topic of Genesis 1
And a river proceeds out of Edem to water the garden, thence it divides itself into four heads...
The name of the one, Phisom, this it is which encircles the whole land of Evilat, where there is gold.
And the name of the second river is Geon, this it is which encircles the whole land of Ethiopia.
And the third river is Tigris, this is that which flows forth over against the Assyrians.
And the fourth river is Euphrates.
So, Ethiopia, Assyria... these are post-flood nations, right? So how could river from pre-flood Eden flow into Assyria or Ethiopia?
this could be a possible explanation... I'm not sure...
acts 17: God made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the surface of the earth, having determined appointed seasons, and the boundaries of their dwellings.
so God would know the locations of those nations, and pre-flood topography might have been different.
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BeyondET
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Yes and the cross reference
Psalm 136:6
Who spread out the earth upon the waters
2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
Psalm 24:2
For He has founded it upon the seas And established it upon the rivers.
Founded it,, single,, it means one possibly
Psalm 136:6
Who spread out the earth upon the waters
2 Peter 3:5
But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
Psalm 24:2
For He has founded it upon the seas And established it upon the rivers.
Founded it,, single,, it means one possibly
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Kisses1990
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Tintin
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I agree, its a new topic, but related to how to understand Genesis 2 which is again related to our topic of Genesis 1
And a river proceeds out of Edem to water the garden, thence it divides itself into four heads...
The name of the one, Phisom, this it is which encircles the whole land of Evilat, where there is gold.
And the name of the second river is Geon, this it is which encircles the whole land of Ethiopia.
And the third river is Tigris, this is that which flows forth over against the Assyrians.
And the fourth river is Euphrates.
So, Ethiopia, Assyria... these are post-flood nations, right? So how could river from pre-flood Eden flow into Assyria or Ethiopia?
Yes, and no. Those are post-Flood nations, but the Ethiopia and Assyria of Genesis 1 are pre-Flood locations. Naturally, Noah and his family (or descendants etc.) saw some places in the post-Flood world that reminded them of places in the pre-Flood world, or of the paradise of Eden that God had taught them and so they gave them familiar names. We even have that practice today, in many forms and in many places around the world.
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Tintin
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The New Heavens and the New Earth will be a return to the Edenic state of creation pre-Fall. That's the hope of life in Christ. The Gospel is nonsense if even this one truth isn't realised. Creation, Fall, Restoration. It's not that difficult.
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Tintin
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By your logic, sin entered the world through one man (Adam) who was allegorical or mythical etc. And death birthed from sin. By your logic, the one God-man (Jesus Christ) who came to rectify this, to save us from sin and death - to put things right, would also be allegorical or mythical. Because: internal consistency. If the First Adam is fiction, so must the Last Adam. If there's a real First Adam who buggered up creation for everyone and ushered sin and death into the world, there must be a real Last Adam to restore humanity to God. If Adam and the Fall are fiction, we have nothing to be saved from. If Adam is fiction, we don't need a Saviour. It's that simple. Evolution and other old earth mythologies make nonsense of the Gospel for this very reason and many others.