getting dates about a young earth
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What I am saying is that you have to accept by faith what Mr. Hansen presents. I think God is more reliable than Mr. Hansen.
I live at peace with God. The bible never claimed the earth was flat.
So ancient is not 6000 or 7000 years? If the mountains were as old as you want to make them they would have eroded by water and wind down to nothing.
I'm not sorry that your bubble has been deflated.
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Roger
That contradicts the Bible. Bible says that what can be seen in nature is precise:
"For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse." Romans 1:20
Notice the term "his eternal power have been clearly seen". Eternal is a very long time.
Gods power has always been and always will be eternal. The earth has a beginning and an end.
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Roger
Accept by faith what was proved? You dont understand the point of science and what exactly is a proof. Science, that needs faith to be accepted, is a wrong science.
"Eternal" in Greek does not always mean what "eternal" in English. But you want only simple things, so I will not go into this topic.
Exactly. How do you test Mr. Hansen's theories? Can you replicate his ideas in the lab? Is what he says repeatable and measurable?
God has not changed what He has decreed from before the foundation of the world.
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Roger
eternally-grateful (I think it was)
showed me this idea from 2 Peter 3:
in the last days mockers will come saying, ... from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
so, maybe things were different back then.
Listen to yourself. Now let's nuance the language to fit the conclusion.
God is eternal without beginning and without end.
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Roger
if you would like to post a timeline or version that fits well with mainstream science and also uses the tone and inferences in the story, I would like to read it.
I think the things that can be clearly seen are God's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature.
something that I often find in the scriptures is God veiling the truth from a person or persons.
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I love how YEC use the Flood as this magical answer for everything that points to the earth being much older than it is.
The Flood covers the holes of YEC just like it covered the earth
That totally not what BIBLICAL creationists believe. But you're just here to cause trouble. You're not even a Christian, so I'm not going to bother replying to you.
I'm not here to cause trouble. I just come from a different point of view. It doesn't make the words I say immediately worthless. Yes, the post about the Flood was more lighthearted, but other things I post on this forum are genuine inquiries, questions, or insights that I have being once a Christian myself, and frankly, I'm tired of hearing Christians on here dismiss what I have to say solely because I am no longer a Christian.
Well you do not create credibility when you say you were Christian and no longer are Christian. You have improperly understood what being a Christian encompasses.
You cannot arrive at the correct conclusions when you start out in error.
Job could not answer God when God asked Job the question of where were you when I laid the foundations of the world.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I love how YEC use the Flood as this magical answer for everything that points to the earth being much older than it is.
The Flood covers the holes of YEC just like it covered the earth
some yec's probably do that, yes.
certainly not all.
hi nogard,
I'd be interested in your (and anyone else's) answer or comments to post 1430,
Supporters of YEC must live in a huge tension with the outside world.
1. You must throw out all ancient cultures records (Egypt, China...) and archeology as fairy tales, because they seem to predate the flood according to young earth dating.
2. You must dismiss all the human civilization relics predating 6000 years as wrongly dated or falsified.
3. You must dismiss virtually all sorts of dating except some primitive counting games with numbers.
4. You cannot read almost any scientific magazine, watch almost any scientific documentary, without the feeling they are trying to get you.
5. You must believe that distant light from stars was somehow "brought in to us" suddenly or that laws of physics changed drastically in already created universe.
6. You must dismiss dendrochronology.
7. You must believe that millions of scientists (including christian scientists) do not know how to do their job (or are lying).
8. You must believe that massive flood put perfect layers from the most simple organism to todays animals all over the world.
9. You must believe that the vast majority of christians (who are holding theistic evolution, mostly) are terribly mistaken.
... and many others.
You are putting yourself in to the position, that is very, very similar to the position of the flat earth ideology proponents, medieval church or conspiracy theorists.
And you must do all this only because you believe genealogies in Bible are complete (which is not the purpose of them) and that Adam was created right after the creation of Earth.
1. You must throw out all ancient cultures records (Egypt, China...) and archeology as fairy tales, because they seem to predate the flood according to young earth dating.
2. You must dismiss all the human civilization relics predating 6000 years as wrongly dated or falsified.
3. You must dismiss virtually all sorts of dating except some primitive counting games with numbers.
4. You cannot read almost any scientific magazine, watch almost any scientific documentary, without the feeling they are trying to get you.
5. You must believe that distant light from stars was somehow "brought in to us" suddenly or that laws of physics changed drastically in already created universe.
6. You must dismiss dendrochronology.
7. You must believe that millions of scientists (including christian scientists) do not know how to do their job (or are lying).
8. You must believe that massive flood put perfect layers from the most simple organism to todays animals all over the world.
9. You must believe that the vast majority of christians (who are holding theistic evolution, mostly) are terribly mistaken.
... and many others.
You are putting yourself in to the position, that is very, very similar to the position of the flat earth ideology proponents, medieval church or conspiracy theorists.
And you must do all this only because you believe genealogies in Bible are complete (which is not the purpose of them) and that Adam was created right after the creation of Earth.
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