"It is finished." What is the "it?"

Elin · Mar 30, 2015

Neither Mary and John the Baptist, nor Elizabeth, were God, as Jesus is.

God, including Jesus, has no other spirit than the Holy Spirit.
It is their personal Spirit, just as my human spirit is my personal immortal spirit.
I am born with my human spirit in spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life),
and it remains in spiritual death until I am born again into eternal life (Holy Spirit life) through faith by grace.

Jesus is eternal life. . .as well as the way and the truth. . .he doesn't need to receive the Holy Spirit which he already has.

No, that is your assumption.

The text does not state that Jesus "received' the Holy Spirit at his baptism.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 30, 2015

santuzza said:

Hi Santuzza

Matthew 5:17-18
king James version(kjv)

17.)think not that I have come to destroy the law,or the prophets:I am not come to destroy but to fulfill.

18.)for verily I say unto you,till heaven and earth pass,one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law,till all be fulfilled.

seed_time_harvest · Mar 30, 2015

seed_time_harvest said:

I wanted to add that no man but JESUS was able to fulfill the perfect standard of GOD.The law had to be fulfilled by a man if man was going to have a relationship with GOD because GOD gave dominion of the earth to man and a gift is not a gift unless you are able to do with that gift what you want.

JESUS fulfilled the perfect standard of GOD and paid the sin debt that was required by law and gave us that would believe in the WORD of GOD righteousness.

We have access to this Grace through faith.

royalscot · Mar 30, 2015

Elin said:

again prove what your saying , speculation, see the bible quotes, prove them wrong.

and what is your point, did he or did he not, get the holy spirit here.

would that be before death or after. (eternal life )

6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.1

can you connect the dots.

.16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he sawSpirit of God desending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3
can you read

who led jesus into the desert. would that be holy in front of the word spirit.
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.Matthew 4

Elin · Mar 30, 2015

royalscot said:

You have given me no bible quotes which state that the Holy Spirit entered Jesus (as he enters us) when he rested on Jesus.

Words matter. . ."rest" and "enter" are not the same thing.
The Holy Spirit entered Mary and Elizabeth with their faith, as he enters those in the NT with their faitih.
Jesus was born with the Holy Spirit within him as his personal spirit,
just as we are born with our own personal immortal spirits.

The Holy Spirit did not enter Jesus at some point after his birth, for as God incarnate he was born with the Holy Spirit within him as his personal spirit because the Holy Spirit is the personal spirit of both the Father and the Son.

Are you paying attention. . .already answered. . .will do so again.

No, he did not receive the Holy Spirit here, he was born with the Holy Spirit as his own spirit.

Do you know the meaning of "eternal life"?

It is not about its everlasting duration, it is about its divine nature.

It is divine life, Holy Spirit life, within the spirits of the born again.
As God, Jesus is eternal life.

Yes, the Holy Spirit led him into the desert, the same Holy Spirit who was within him since his birth, his own personal spirit.

You are assuming the Holy Spirit resting on him means entering into him.

And you are assuming that the Holy Spirit who led him into the desert was not within him prior to that point.

However, neither of your assumptions are stated in the NT.

forsha · Mar 30, 2015

royalscot said:

I am reading everything that you wrote, and I fail to see any proof.

forsha · Mar 30, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

We are saved eternally by the grace of God without the help of man. Eph 2:5, When we were yet dead in sin. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit and we first have to have the Holy Spirit before we can have faith. Everyone that Christ died for on the cross is saved eternally, which are only those that God gave to Jesus, and every one of them will live with him in heaven, without the loss of even one, John 6:39.

Aisaiah · Mar 30, 2015

The law, but this doesn't mean we can suddenly live lawlessly.

(rom3:31 + rom6:1)

forsha · Mar 30, 2015

Elin said:

If you can make Rom 3:5 harmonize with all of the other scriptures, you may be right, but I do not think the other scriptures will support the fact that our faith has anything to do with our eternal salvation or our justification. Our faith does deliver us from many things as we live here in this world, which is a salvation, just not eternal.

Aisaiah · Mar 30, 2015

also the prophecies fulfilled related to the messiah, those where finished in Christ Jesus as well

Aisaiah · Mar 30, 2015

A finished work of the Lord God in Christ Jesus concerning salvation for mankind. That too

"What did Jesus mean when He said,..."

Aisaiah · Mar 30, 2015

And probably also the innerspirit be like: "Really...?! Im thirsty, beat up, spat on, flogged, broken ribs, pierced with nails, stipped naked, disgraced, abused, violated, covered in blood, unrecognizably misformed and you give me vinegar to drink?! Im done with you all, treating God in the flesh like a criminal!" Ya'll dont know what you're doing... (from human perspective ofcourse)

Im done! Finito! Basta! Enough is enough...

Breeze7 · Mar 30, 2015

I think when jesus said It is finished he meant a few things. The work leading up to the world finally recognizing him as The God, that's one thing. Also there would be a new age so, the old age coming to an end is another. It is finished also is the brief reign of lucipher was done. His own suffering was done and his time as an earthly being( so seemed). It is finished is also the creation of the true church and him as the main pillar holding it up. It is done was everything was made correct or balanced again. As on earth so in heaven sort of thing or visa versa. Lots of things in that one statement.

Aisaiah · Mar 30, 2015

Yes, his work on earth (in the flesh) was done too. Being the way, the truth and the life, fully obeying God most high. That the suffering may have come to an end.

I agree there is not just one answer to this, praise God, gby

Elin · Mar 30, 2015

forsha said:

There are no Scriptures with which Ro 3:5 does not harmonize.

That is a general statement with no demonstration by you.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2015

forsha said:

I never said God needed the help of man. You need to get off your high horse. My faith in Christ is not me helping God. It is me TRUSTING in God, In HIS promise, and in HIS work, and ACKNOWLEDGING I am hopeless.

And as I already proved, The HS DOES help a person dead in Christ to have faith. who do you think SHOWS them the truth, Convicts them of truth, and BRINGS them to repentance.

God is all powerful, he can do anything, He does not need to make one born again first. all he has to do is act as a guide to lead them.

Another guide is the law. How can not law guide us if we can not spend time understanding the law.

Your caught in a rut, in the doctrine of men, and are afraid to see truth.

And again John 6: 39 is based on men who have seen Jesus, Have taken the words of eternal life he came to teach FROM THE SPIRIT, and come to TRUST (have faith) IN what they have eaten.

if your going to continue to destroy context of a passage, anythign you say of that passage is meaningless. as are your words.

psychomom · Mar 30, 2015

forsha said:

nah.

i think of it this way, and for the life of me can't remember where i heard it...
God the Father appointed our salvation before time.
God the Son accomplished our salvation in His time.
God the Holy Spirit applied our salvation in our time.

i agree our salvation is part of God's plan, but it's not efficacious till that moment
we are raised from death to newness of life.

royalscot · Mar 31, 2015

Elin said:

Are you paying attention.
unlike you i have given proof to look at.

the bible v es is mark.

i not assuming anything.
led by or enter, or rested it on, is up to your pay grade.
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.Matthew 4

opened to him, and he sawSpirit of God desending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

take it or leave it.

royalscot · Mar 31, 2015

forsha said:

not my problem, you fail to see, anything.

AJJ · Mar 31, 2015

psychomom said:

lol trinity.

''I am God and aside from me there is no other''.

''There is one God and one mediator between God and men - Jesus Christ''

''My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?''

''Why do you call me good? None are good except for God''.

''God is not a man''

''For I am God, and not man''

''Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through him in your midst''

''the man Jesus Christ''

''God is not a man, nor a son of Man''

''until they see the son of man coming in his Kingdom''

''My father is greater than I''

''When you pray, say our Father, who is in heaven''

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