"It is finished." What is the "it?"

[royalscot]

tribesman,

Can anyone state "Christ was born again?" It is not stated that way in the Word so I don't think anyone would phrase it that way due to the uniqueness of this particular event, being that it (the Word) was an entity that had been with God from the beginning and that it (the Word in flesh) did not sin but willingly took on sin.

16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

 

[royalscot]

I have not come across any scriptures that indicate that Jesus was born again. When a person is born again God takes out the stony heart and replaces it with a soft heart of flesh, one that can be pricked, such as in Acts 2:38. Jesus is God that came to earth as man, but he still was God.

you have now, came across scripture that said he was.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

 

[slave]

Simply put...."IT" means....The power of mankinds Salvation...

 

[Jeff_56]

since yahshua wasn't in paradise for a while yet, and in the hebrew the meaning is different than gentiles understand, the punctuation in english should be " ....today, " not " ...., today" duh.

all the hebrew babies know this simple truth. (pretty sure the rcc heresy changed it to deceive everyone they could).

 

[AngelFrog]

[h=1]What did Jesus mean when He said, “It is finished”?[/h]

 

[forsha]

you have now, came across scripture that said he was.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

Jesus was God that took on the body of man, but is, and will remain as God. Jesus never had a heart of stone that needed to be change. Have you any evidence that a man came down from heaven, unless it is talking about an angel, which is still not a man?

 

[forsha]

However, in Gal 2:16, "the faith of Jesus Christ," neither the words "the" nor "of" are in the Greek text, they have been added by the translator.

Considering the whole counsel of God shows that our propitiation (atonement) is through
our faith in his blood (Ro 3:25).

So God's justice on our guilt is satisfied by Christ's actions on the cross,
by which our sin is then forgiven (justification, and that forgiveness is salvation--Lk 1:77)
through the gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1, Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3) our faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1;
Ac 18:27, Ro 12:3) in Christ (Ro 3:25),
by which that atonement is applied to us, as the blood was applied by hyssop
to cleanse the defiled altar on which sin was laid in the sin-bearing sacrifice.

The NT hyssop by which the blood is applied is our faith, which is a gift.

God gets all the glory.

Rebirth by the Holy Spirit brings with it the gift of our faith, through which the atonement of Jesus is applied to us (Ro 3:25), and by which application we are justified (declared "not guilty;" forgiven),
which forgiveness is salvation (Lk 1:77).

Justification/salvation is through the gift of our faith (Ro 3:25) given at rebirth.

Rom 3:25 - God is doing the sending, and it is God that has faith in his Son's blood, not our faith. Through our faith, we come to understand that Christ justified us on the cross, but it does not negate the fact that it was Jesus's faithfulness to go the cross that justified us.

 

[forsha]

So Jesus trusts himself. and because of that we are saved?

Dude you have some weird beliefs there

That's the same thing that most of the people in Jesus's time here on earth said to him, "you have a weird belief".

 

[royalscot]

Jesus was God that took on the body of man, but is, and will remain as God. Jesus never had a heart of stone that needed to be change. Have you any evidence that a man came down from heaven, unless it is talking about an angel, which is still not a man?

read the words, dont guess. and reread what you wrote
I have not come across any scriptures that indicate that Jesus was born again.

and what do you call born again.

John 3: You Must Be Born Again
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him."3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?"10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony.12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.






I have not come across any scriptures that indicate that Jesus was born again. When a person is born again God takes out the stony heart and replaces it with a soft heart of flesh, one that can be pricked, such as in Acts 2:38. Jesus is God that came to earth as man, but he still was God.


16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and hesaw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

is this being given the holy spirit. is this also born again.

 

[forsha]

wrong

Scripture says the HS convicts of sin righteous and judgment, and romans 1 says man already knows he is rightly condemned.

1 cor speaks of other things of God. not our condemnation and need for salvation.

Don't you guys have any better arguments?

Romans 1 is not talking about the natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, that can not discern spiritual things, but it is talking about those that knew God, Rom 1:21, such as you and I. As I have said before, "you will never understand the grace of God, until you understand the depravity of man.

 

[forsha]

read the words, dont guess. and reread what you wrote
I have not come across any scriptures that indicate that Jesus was born again.

and what do you call born again.

John 3: You Must Be Born Again
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him."3 Jesus answered him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."4 Nicodemus said to him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?"5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.7 Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit."
9 Nicodemus said to him, "How can these things be?"10 Jesus answered him, "Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things?11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony.12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.






I have not come across any scriptures that indicate that Jesus was born again. When a person is born again God takes out the stony heart and replaces it with a soft heart of flesh, one that can be pricked, such as in Acts 2:38. Jesus is God that came to earth as man, but he still was God.


16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and hesaw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

is this being given the holy spirit. is this also born again.

The dove was a form of God that came to rest upon him. That's not rebirth. Rebirth is when the Holy Spirit rests within a person, not upon the person. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. Christ did not need the Holy Spirit, He is the Holy Spirit and God.

 

[Elin]

you have now, came across scripture that said he was.
16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him;17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased."Matthew 3

That is not rebirth.

That is the witness of the Father and the Holy Spirit testifying of the Son.

"Born again" is resurrection of one's spirit from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life in Jesus Christ.

 

[Elin]

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However, in Gal 2:16, "<strong>the </strong>faith <strong>of</strong> Jesus Christ," neither the words "<u>the</u>" nor "<u>of</u>" are in the Greek text, they have been added by the translator.<br>
<br>
<strong>Considering the <em>whole</em> counsel of God shows that our propitiation (atonement) is through <u><font color="#0000ff"><em>our</em></font></u> faith in his blood (Ro 3:25).<br>
<br>
So God's justice on our guilt is satisfied by Christ's actions on the cross, <br>
by which our sin is then forgiven </strong>(justification, and that <font color="#0000ff">forgiveness is salvation</font>--Lk 1:77)<strong> <br>
<u> through</u> the <em>gift</em> </strong>(Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1, Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3) <strong><font color="#0000ff">our</font> <u><em>faith</em></u> </strong>(Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1;<br>
Ac 18:27, Ro 12:3) <strong>in Christ (Ro 3:25), <br>
by which that atonement is <em>applied</em> to us, as the blood was applied by hyssop <br>
to cleanse the defiled altar on which sin was laid in the sin-bearing sacrifice.<br>
<br>
The NT hyssop by which the blood is applied is <u>our</u> faith, which is a gift.<br>
<br>
God gets all the glory</strong>.<br>
<br>
<font color="#0000ff"><strong>Rebirth by the Holy Spirit brings <em>with it</em> the gift of <em>our</em> faith</strong>, </font><em><u>through which</u></em> the atonement of Jesus is <em>applied</em> to us (Ro 3:25), and by which application we are <em>justified</em> (declared "not guilty;" forgiven), <br>
which <font color="#0000ff">forgiveness is <em>salvation</em></font> (Lk 1:77).<br>
<br>
<strong><font color="#0000ff">Justification/salvation is through the gift of <em>our</em> faith (Ro 3:25) given at rebirth. </font></strong>

<br>
Rom 3:25 - God is doing the sending, and <br>
<strong>it is God that has faith in his Son's blood</strong>, not our faith. Through our faith, we come to understand that Christ justified us on the cross, but it does not negate the fact that it was Jesus's faithfulness to go the cross that justified us.

<br>
God doesn't operate in faith.<br>
<br>
Who is greater than God that God should place his faith in him for what God cannot do?<br>
<font color="#0000ff"><br>
That is manifest absurdity, forsha.</font><br>
<br>
God is sovereign, he operates in nothing but his own power.

 

[royalscot]

The dove was a form of God that came to rest upon him. That's not rebirth. Rebirth is when the Holy Spirit rests within a person, not upon the person. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. Christ did not need the Holy Spirit, He is the Holy Spirit and God.

if you cant read this, then how can you discern spiritual things,

however like a dove, and descending on jesus, proves there was a transaction that took place.
the holy spirit came to rest on.

your speculation cant be proved.

however, mine can be proven, if you can read what is wrote.

 

[royalscot]

That is not rebirth.

That is the witness of the Father and the Holy Spirit testifying of the Son.


you are speculating
"Born again" is resurrection of one's spirit from spiritual death (no Holy Spirit life) to eternal life in Jesus Christ.

speculation. given the holy spirit, or rebirth, the fact is still clear, he was given the holy spirit,

5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

how could he enter heaven. or was there an other purpose.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That's the same thing that most of the people in Jesus's time here on earth said to him, "you have a weird belief".

yeah, but he was not odd, he just did not fit their interpretation, because they were looking for him to save them from rome, not to save them from their sin.

You however, have an odd belief, and not only that, did not explain how we can be saved because jesus had faith in himself. and not because we have faith in jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 1 is not talking about the natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, that can not discern spiritual things, but it is talking about those that knew God, Rom 1:21, such as you and I. As I have said before, "you will never understand the grace of God, until you understand the depravity of man.

its not? ok, you might be 80 years old. but you have lost it somewhere in your study of Gods word, or have you ever studied Gods word? and not just listened to men?

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.



While this is speaking of saved man and not natural man?

 

[Elin]

However, in Gal 2:16, "the faith of Jesus Christ," neither the words "the" nor "of" are in the Greek text, they have been added by the translator.

Considering the whole counsel of God shows that our propitiation (atonement) is through our faith in his blood (Ro 3:25).

So God's justice on our guilt is satisfied by Christ's actions on the cross,
by which our sin is then forgiven (justification, and that forgiveness is salvation--Lk 1:77)
through the gift (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1, Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3) our faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1;
Ac 18:27, Ro 12:3) in Christ (Ro 3:25),
by which that atonement is applied to us, as the blood was applied by hyssop
to cleanse the defiled altar on which sin was laid in the sin-bearing sacrifice.

The NT hyssop by which the blood is applied is our faith, which is a gift.

God gets all the glory.

Rebirth by the Holy Spirit brings with it the gift of our faith, through which the atonement of Jesus is applied to us (Ro 3:25), and by which application we are justified (declared "not guilty;" forgiven),
which forgiveness is salvation (Lk 1:77).

Justification/salvation is through the gift of our faith (Ro 3:25) given at rebirth.

Rom 3:25 - God is doing the sending, and it is God that has faith in his Son's blood, not our faith. Through our faith, we come to understand that Christ justified us on the cross, but it does not negate the fact that it was Jesus's faithfulness to go the cross that justified us.

God doesn't operate in in faith.

Who is greater than God that God should place his faith in him for what God cannot do?

You believe in a manifest absurdity, forsha.

God is sovereign, he operates in nothing but his own power, not in faith.

 

[Elin]

speculation. given the holy spirit, or rebirth, the fact is still clear, he was given the holy spirit,

He was born with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is his spirit, as well as the Spirit of the Father,
just as the spirit with which I am born is my spirit.

Where does these extraordinarily strange doctrines of God's faith, and Jesus not having the Holy Spirit until his baptism come from?

Is Jesus God, or not (Jn 1:1, 13)?

 

[royalscot]

He was born with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is his spirit, as well as the Spirit of the Father,
just as the spirit with which I am born is my spirit.

Where does these extraordinarily strange doctrines of God's faith, and Jesus not having the Holy Spirit until his baptism come from?

Is Jesus God, or not (Jn 1:1, 13)?

and his ministry started when.
did i say anything about doctrines , did i bring anything other than, the holy spirit was given here,
just because mary and lizzy got the holy spirit, dose not prove the baby did.

here, however proves he did.