Trump Stands By Israel

[kaylagrl]

just to be clear- Israel should be there, it is their land, given by God through Abraham.

I do not think there is a secret zionest cabal that runs major countries and controls all the banks. that is a silly conspiracy theory.

that being said, there is a " greater Israel " plan, and the Rothchilds do own land in Israel.

those 2 things are 100% true, you can look them up, and easily find lots about them.

Oh I know you can look them up. "The Jews are the cause of all the wars and troubles in the world" said the Catholic anti-Semitic Mel Gibson. The Rothchilds are a canard, just more propaganda. It people cannot see God has His hand on the Jewish people and Israel they are deaf,dumb and blind. The great pity to me is that satan used the church to try and wipe out the Jews. And this thread shows he is still influencing Christians after all these years.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Romans does not support Hagee or other dispensational dogma.

God is not a Zionist in the sense that you understand it as Zion based on dirt in the middle east.

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels.

It's too bad that many Christians have swallowed the dispensational delusion.

this is absolute dribble from a hyper preterist who believes the Bible is half metaphor and the other half obsolete since nothing is left to be fulfilled

your entire view of scripture is utterly skewed and leads to a viewpoint that leaves God out and opens the door for deception and an attitude that flaunts superiority based on human reasoning that the word of God itself tells us, will always be faulty and will always attempt to shake a fist in the face of God

you have no clue

 

[kaylagrl]

To rally Christian support, Presidents appeal to the evangelicals because there are votes to gain.
If the US ever went to elections by popular vote only, then I think that sector of the electorate would not be needed to gain office.
John Hagee and et. al delivers the votes.

United States was not always so pro-Zionist, a deeper analysis of the USS Liberty will reveal how the tide had shifted.

Wow, I mean you know every canard out there. What's wrong with the evangelical vote?! Don't you consider yourself evangelical? Do we not have a right to have our voice heard?! What's wrong with support for Israel?

The USS Liberty sailed into the middle of war. That was their own mistake. In the heat of war the ship was misidentified. They fired back and forth until the Israelis got close enough to see it was an American ship. Israel was not at war with America they would have no reason to try and start war with the Yanks when they were already at war with the ME. They paid 12million to the families that lost loved ones and apologized to America. As soon as they realized it was an American ship they offered assistance. So please stop spreading anti-Semitic propaganda.

 

[kaylagrl]

This is interesting from the book "A program for the Jews" by Harry Walton"

2. When Hitler came to power and began to realize in practice his anti-Semitic philosophy, the Jews believed that this was only a local and temporary political disturbance, which would soon pass away, and the Jews in Germany would again enjoy peace and security. The Jews declared war against Nazi Germany, and by means of the boycott they believed that they would destroy the Nazi power in Germany, and would restore Germany to its former state.

http://www.gwb.com.au/2000/myers/book.htm

Right, because of Hitlers anti-Semitic policies of bullying and boycotting, some Jews around the world began a boycott. It was a boycott,not an actual war. So what's your point?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

To rally Christian support, Presidents appeal to the evangelicals because there are votes to gain.
If the US ever went to elections by popular vote only, then I think that sector of the electorate would not be needed to gain office.
John Hagee and et. al delivers the votes.

United States was not always so pro-Zionist, a deeper analysis of the USS Liberty will reveal how the tide had shifted.

you sound like a water carrier for the left. why are you such a willing partner in the conspiracy, demonic conspiracy actually, to spread hatred for Jews and create the impression God hates them and wants to destroy them?

seems the spirit that motivated Hitler is still alive and kicking

your lack of actual historical fact, or perhaps deliberate omission of the total picture, is best served at a table for the Bilderburg group, whose antics seem to fuel your though processes

 

[kaylagrl]

Interesting isn't it

https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

No!! They declared a boycott because Hitler had started his campaign against the Jews. He was bullying and boycotting Jews. Don't turn this around to say the Jews are to blame for the Holocaust. It was a response to what Hitler was doing to the Jews as he began his anti-Semitic rule.

 

[kaylagrl]

A group of activists known as “cultural Zionists,” did worry about Palestine’s Arab population. Preeminent among these was the Russian writer Asher Ginsberg, who took the pen name Ahad Ha’am (Hebrew for “one of the people”) by which he is best known. He had joined Hovevei Zion but sought a revival of Jewish culture centred on a limited, symbolic presence in that land with so much resonance for the Jewish faith.

Ginsberg’s take on Zionism later attracted a number of leading intellectuals such as Martin Buber, Albert Einstein, Harry Sacher and Hannah Arendt. For Ginsberg, the goal of Zionism should be to revive Judaism not to rescue Jews. The Jewish “homeland” he interpreted as a spiritual renewal.

Mass migration to Palestine was impractical and unacceptable. Settlers would be obliged to assist the Arab population to develop the company and should treat them with respect. Although Ginsberg was a friend of Pinsker’s, he deeply opposed colonizing a country inhabited by people of a different culture and religion.

In 1891, Hovevei Zion asked him to visit Palestine to report on conditions there. This fact-finding tour opened Ginsberg’s eyes; in The Truth from the Land of Israel, he wrote:

From abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth, it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled … If the time comes when the life of our people in Eretz Israel develops to the point of encroaching upon the native population, they will not easily yield their place [27].

http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/#loving

Right, it was a piece of dirt that nobody wanted, until the Jews came and "made the desert bloom again". The Arabs were offered land and refused it. They have no right to turn around now and demand anything. They had their chance and passed on it because they didn't want to share with the Jews.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Right, because of Hitlers anti-Semitic policies of bullying and boycotting, some Jews around the world began a boycott. It was a boycott,not an actual war. So what's your point?

his point is the Jews no longer exist...as both he and UG have posted at various times, stating that Jews are actually converted Europeans

therefore, there is really no more Israel

the conclusion being that we are currently living 'in the kingdom now', Jesus ain't coming back cause He already did, God could care less about Israel, and the Bible cannot be counted on because it is basically metaphorical and only Gentiles are saved

this crap is being fed to willing consumers and was actually began by a Jesuit priest

so there is your connection to the RC and all that entails

the early church NEVER had a preterist viewpoint and that is just another of the deceptions of hyper preterism but explains the attitude and posts of those who adhere to it

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Right, it was a piece of dirt that nobody wanted, until the Jews came and "made the desert bloom again". The Arabs were offered land and refused it. They have no right to turn around now and demand anything. They had their chance and passed on it because they didn't want to share with the Jews.

when you have a total understanding that stems from flesh and you do not believe in the final and complete authority of God, how can you reach anything but erroneous conclusions

personally, I think straws are being grasped at, more to support hyper preterism, than anything else

I mean imagine if what you believe is so easily proven false from scripture...it would be unsettling and the entire anti-Jew propaganda machine would be called on to disprove scripture and evangelical Christianity

I think fear is a part of all of this. the devil is fearful of being discovered but loves the playground of deception and human error

more than a little sad

 

[kaylagrl]

This is all very interesting shtuff:

This New York Daily News front page headline hailed the massive anti-German protest rally held in Madison Square Garden on March 27, 1933. Despite efforts by the German government to alleviate tensions and prevent the escalation of name-calling and threats by the international Jewish leadership, the rally was held as scheduled.

Similar rallies and protest marches were also being held in other cities during the same time frame. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop, there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.

Despite this, the hate campaign continued, forcing Germany to take defensive measures that created a situation wherein the Jews of Germany became increasingly marginalized. The truth about the Jewish war on Germany has been suppressed by most histories of the period.

You know I have no problem with banter. I stopped taking your digs seriously and just joked back. That's all good. But when you begin to spread anti-Semitic propaganda, that's where rubber meets road. Hitler had ALREADY started his campaign against Jewish businesses. That is why Jews around the world were boycotting.

From your beloved Wikipedia,

The Anti-Nazi Boycott of 1933 was a boycott of German products by foreign critics of the Nazi Party in response to an organized campaign of violence and boycotting undertaken by Hitler's Nazi Party against the Jews of Germany following his appointment as Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933. Those in the United Kingdom, United States and other places worldwide who opposed Hitler's antisemitic policies developed the boycott and its accompanying protests to encourage Nazi Germany to end the regime's often-expressed anti-Jewish attitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You know I have no problem with banter. I stopped taking your digs seriously and just joked back. That's all good. But when you begin to spread anti-Semitic propaganda, that's where rubber meets road. Hitler had ALREADY started his campaign against Jewish businesses. That is why Jews around the world were boycotting.

From your beloved Wikipedia,

The Anti-Nazi Boycott of 1933 was a boycott of German products by foreign critics of the Nazi Party in response to an organized campaign of violence and boycotting undertaken by Hitler's Nazi Party against the Jews of Germany following his appointment as Chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933. Those in the United Kingdom, United States and other places worldwide who opposed Hitler's antisemitic policies developed the boycott and its accompanying protests to encourage Nazi Germany to end the regime's often-expressed anti-Jewish attitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933

right

that is how I saw it too

I have come to believe the banter is actually a cover up for a really bad attitude

include a smiley and everyone will think you are joking

I don't buy it anymore

 

[kaylagrl]

In 1839, Shaftesbury wrote an anonymous 30 page article for the Quarterly Review, entitled ‘State and Restauration (sic) of the Jews.’ In it Shaftesbury advocated a Jewish national homeland with Jerusalem the capital, remaining under Turkish rule but with British protection.[13] Shaftesbury predicted a new era for the Jews:

‘ … the Jews must be encouraged to return in yet greater numbers and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee … though admittedly a stiff-necked, dark hearted people, and sunk in moral degradation, obduracy, and ignorance of the Gospel … [They are] … not only worthy of salvation but also vital to Christianity’s hope of salvation.’[14]

Aww gee, worthy of salvation. How nice of him. No anti-Semitism in his heart.

 

[kaylagrl]

right

that is how I saw it too

I have come to believe the banter is actually a cover up for a really bad attitude

include a smiley and everyone will think you are joking

I don't buy it anymore

No,nor do I. Two people tossing the anti-Semitic football back and forth with every propaganda site out there. Next it will be the gas chambers were never gas chambers. Maybe if I skip ahead we can avoid all this nonsense.

 

[gb9]

if I can, let me attempt to paint a bigger picture here-

what is really going on is a war between Zionism and islam . and, I think it is clear who is evil and who is not.

Zionism does not put women in jail for not covering their heads, throwing gays off buildings, beheading infindels, " honor " killings, …. I could go on about the barbarism practiced by orthodox islam..

 

[kaylagrl]

if I can, let me attempt to paint a bigger picture here-

what is really going on is a war between Zionism and islam . and, I think it is clear who is evil and who is not.

Zionism does not put women in jail for not covering their heads, throwing gays off buildings, beheading infindels, " honor " killings, …. I could go on about the barbarism practiced by orthodox islam..

While you and I would agree on that our anti-Semitic friends are about to post how much violence Zionists have committed to prove you wrong. They're in the corner retelling history and clapping each other on the back. After all it really is the Jews fault, isn't it boys? smh

 

[7seasrekeyed]

No,nor do I. Two people tossing the anti-Semitic football back and forth with every propaganda site out there. Next it will be the gas chambers were never gas chambers. Maybe if I skip ahead we can avoid all this nonsense.

this is the heart of preterism

God has deserted the Jews, therefore, we can and should also

that also means that much of the Bible is obsolete and must be metaphorical if it has any application to us today

this further creates a license to continue the demonic hatred of God's plan for mankind, through his chosen people and totally IGNORES the fact that scripture states Gentiles are GRAFTED in and when that ends, God will sew it up

barely skimming the surface there, but we have to understand how much the devil hates and all he is motivated by is hatred and if he cannot keep someone from Christ he will settle for utter heretical beliefs that confuse and basically keep someone from the relationship and the life Christ died for...to be restored to Father God and walk in the fullness of His Spirit

the emphasis is on the flesh and anti spirit. the EXACT opposite of how God reveals Himself to us and the opposite of dependence upon the Holy Spirit

this is not a post directed at any person here, but a very general description of the agenda of the devil through hyper preterism and the deception and anti-God bias it creates while at the same time the individual believes they are saved

if you are against the people of God, you are not FOR God. you are deceived

 

[kaylagrl]

Who knows really, it could have been "convenient" and or/both expediency as it is today in politics. The problem I see is basing foreign/military policy on fawlty and debatable theological reasoning is a re-cipe for disaster.

So let me get this straight, the Jews have a toe in the ME. They have 1% of the land, 1%!!!! of the land in the ME. And Arabs can't allow them to have 1% of the land to have and defend as their own. They were offered half the land,more than generous since it was the Jews land in the first place with 3000 yrs of history. They were exiled from the land. Don't give me this foolishness about not really Jews. They have been persecuted and murdered in cold blood for centuries as the "dirty Jew". Hitler believed he was killing Jews. It was their land!! There was nothing there but dirt,pictures of the time prove this. But as soon as the Jews put toes in the land all out war. Arabs had no right to the land in the first place. All Balfour was doing was giving Jews back their homeland, as God promised.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

So let me get this straight, the Jews have a toe in the ME. They have 1% of the land, 1%!!!! of the land in the ME. And Arabs can't allow them to have 1% of the land to have and defend as their own. They were offered half the land,more than generous since it was the Jews land in the first place with 3000 yrs of history. They were exiled from the land. Don't give me this foolishness about not really Jews. They have been persecuted and murdered in cold blood for centuries as the "dirty Jew". Hitler believed he was killing Jews. It was their land!! There was nothing there but dirt,pictures of the time prove this. But as soon as the Jews put toes in the land all out war. Arabs had no right to the land in the first place. All Balfour was doing was giving Jews back their homeland, as God promised.

mheh

like I said some posts back, trying to illustrate that Jews are not Jews and therefore they do not matter

I had not even read this post of his

there is not a waste can big enough for this garbage both he and UG seem to rally under

 

[kaylagrl]

this is the heart of preterism

God has deserted the Jews, therefore, we can and should also

that also means that much of the Bible is obsolete and must be metaphorical if it has any application to us today

this further creates a license to continue the demonic hatred of God's plan for mankind, through his chosen people and totally IGNORES the fact that scripture states Gentiles are GRAFTED in and when that ends, God will sew it up

barely skimming the surface there, but we have to understand how much the devil hates and all he is motivated by is hatred and if he cannot keep someone from Christ he will settle for utter heretical beliefs that confuse and basically keep someone from the relationship and the life Christ died for...to be restored to Father God and walk in the fullness of His Spirit

the emphasis is on the flesh and anti spirit. the EXACT opposite of how God reveals Himself to us and the opposite of dependence upon the Holy Spirit

this is not a post directed at any person here, but a very general description of the agenda of the devil through hyper preterism and the deception and anti-God bias it creates while at the same time the individual believes they are saved

if you are against the people of God, you are not FOR God. you are deceived

Perfectly said!! So much truth in what you are saying. I've seen this belief raise it's ugly head time and again. My husband worked with a guy that mocked the Jews. Hubby is Baptist and was not familiar with the replacement theology at the time. When he heard that our pastor was strong on his support for the Jews he began mocking my husband for going to church. It really upset my husband and the guy made the fatal mistake of coming to MY home one evening. When he left he never said a peep to my husband again about Jews or going to church. The hatred of these people is amazing. And now it's raising it's head again in the Dem party. I wonder if Jews will wake up this time or go down the garden path again.

 

[Locutus]

I knew the two mutts would be howling after a presentation of the process that led to Europeans taking over Palestine - totally expected as brainwashed EV/dispensationalists.