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This is all very interesting shtuff:
This New York Daily News front page headline hailed the massive anti-German protest rally held in Madison Square Garden on March 27, 1933. Despite efforts by the German government to alleviate tensions and prevent the escalation of name-calling and threats by the international Jewish leadership, the rally was held as scheduled.
Similar rallies and protest marches were also being held in other cities during the same time frame. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop, there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.
Despite this, the hate campaign continued, forcing Germany to take defensive measures that created a situation wherein the Jews of Germany became increasingly marginalized. The truth about the Jewish war on Germany has been suppressed by most histories of the period.
This New York Daily News front page headline hailed the massive anti-German protest rally held in Madison Square Garden on March 27, 1933. Despite efforts by the German government to alleviate tensions and prevent the escalation of name-calling and threats by the international Jewish leadership, the rally was held as scheduled.
Similar rallies and protest marches were also being held in other cities during the same time frame. The intensity of the Jewish campaign against Germany was such that the Hitler government vowed that if the campaign did not stop, there would be a one-day boycott in Germany of Jewish-owned stores.
Despite this, the hate campaign continued, forcing Germany to take defensive measures that created a situation wherein the Jews of Germany became increasingly marginalized. The truth about the Jewish war on Germany has been suppressed by most histories of the period.
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Another interesting site:
Scotland, Edinburgh, 2nd November 2012
Introduction
In this presentation we are going to trace some of the significant events and individuals that led to the Balfour Declaration.
1. Puritanism and the Conversion of the Jews
The road to Balfour began in the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation brought about a renewed interest in the Old Testament and God’s dealings with the Jewish people. From Protestant pulpits right across Europe, the Bible was for the first time in centuries being taught within its historical context and given its plain literal sense. At the same time, a new assessment of the place of the Jews within the purposes of God emerged.
Puritan eschatology was essentially postmillennial and believed the conversion of the Jews would lead to future blessing for the entire world. In 1621, for example, Sir Henry Finch, an eminent lawyer and member of the English Parliament, published a book:
The World’s Great Restauration (sic) or Calling of the Jews, (and with them) all the Nations and Kingdoms of the Earth, to the Faith of Christ.
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-road-to-balfour-the-history-of-christian-zionism-by-stephen-sizer/
http://www.balfourproject.org/427/
Scotland, Edinburgh, 2nd November 2012
Introduction
In this presentation we are going to trace some of the significant events and individuals that led to the Balfour Declaration.
1. Puritanism and the Conversion of the Jews
The road to Balfour began in the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation brought about a renewed interest in the Old Testament and God’s dealings with the Jewish people. From Protestant pulpits right across Europe, the Bible was for the first time in centuries being taught within its historical context and given its plain literal sense. At the same time, a new assessment of the place of the Jews within the purposes of God emerged.
Puritan eschatology was essentially postmillennial and believed the conversion of the Jews would lead to future blessing for the entire world. In 1621, for example, Sir Henry Finch, an eminent lawyer and member of the English Parliament, published a book:
The World’s Great Restauration (sic) or Calling of the Jews, (and with them) all the Nations and Kingdoms of the Earth, to the Faith of Christ.
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-road-to-balfour-the-history-of-christian-zionism-by-stephen-sizer/
http://www.balfourproject.org/427/
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Good links
You is keeping me busy.
You is keeping me busy.
"Napoleon believed that with compliant Jews controlling Palestine, French imperial and commercial interests as far as India, Arabia and Africa could be secured. Neither Napoleon nor the Jews were able to deliver. Nevertheless his proclamation ‘is a barometer of the extent to which the European atmosphere was charged with these messianic expectations."
Follow the dough.
"Numerous preachers and commentators speculated on whether Napoleon was indeed the Antichrist"
Charles Finney, for example, predicted the imminent end of the world. In 1835 he speculated that ‘If the church will do all her duty, the Millennium may come in this country in three years
In 1839, Shaftesbury wrote an anonymous 30 page article for the Quarterly Review, entitled ‘State and Restauration (sic) of the Jews.’ In it Shaftesbury advocated a Jewish national homeland with Jerusalem the capital, remaining under Turkish rule but with British protection.[13] Shaftesbury predicted a new era for the Jews:
‘ … the Jews must be encouraged to return in yet greater numbers and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee … though admittedly a stiff-necked, dark hearted people, and sunk in moral degradation, obduracy, and ignorance of the Gospel … [They are] … not only worthy of salvation but also vital to Christianity’s hope of salvation.’[14]
‘ … the Jews must be encouraged to return in yet greater numbers and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee … though admittedly a stiff-necked, dark hearted people, and sunk in moral degradation, obduracy, and ignorance of the Gospel … [They are] … not only worthy of salvation but also vital to Christianity’s hope of salvation.’[14]
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Sure Mr . Locutus, yes idle hands still waiting on that one.
...always, always follow the money.
These groups, provocateurs who funds them? Someone funded Hitler?
Who are these agitators, like the Fabian socialists during the French revolution.
Keep the info coming I will give you a cut on me royalities...LOL
...always, always follow the money.
These groups, provocateurs who funds them? Someone funded Hitler?
Who are these agitators, like the Fabian socialists during the French revolution.
Keep the info coming I will give you a cut on me royalities...LOL
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Wow what does that last line mean...wow
Balfour was in fact already committed to the Zionist programme out of theological conviction and had no intention of consulting with the indigenous Arab population. In a letter to Lord Curzon, written in 1919, Balfour insisted somewhat cynically:
‘For in Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country …the Four Great Powers are committed to Zionism.
And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires or prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land … I do not think that Zionism will hurt the Arabs … in short, so far as Palestine is concerned, the Powers have made no statement of fact which is not admittedly wrong, and no declaration of policy which, at least in the letter, they have not always intended to violate.’[30]
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Referring to the land as Palestine was all part of WW 1
However, one really has to consider the purpose of WW 1 in light of the fact that the European countries made secret alliances about how to take control of the former Ottoman lands, eventually leading to the war.
I wonder about the theological conviction part, could it have been a convenient conviction for a greater goal?
However, one really has to consider the purpose of WW 1 in light of the fact that the European countries made secret alliances about how to take control of the former Ottoman lands, eventually leading to the war.
I wonder about the theological conviction part, could it have been a convenient conviction for a greater goal?
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Ultimately yes, for sure and we have not see it come to fruition yet. Thinking this needs to be in place for Jesus to return??
American foreign policy has slowly but surely removed renegade leaders not willing to bow down to the military industrial complex and the safety and security of Israel has been the ruse to make this happen, along with the need for black gold of course.
American foreign policy has slowly but surely removed renegade leaders not willing to bow down to the military industrial complex and the safety and security of Israel has been the ruse to make this happen, along with the need for black gold of course.
Other movements, however, focussed on the ancient Jewish states of the Levant and developed the notion of “return” of Jews to the land of Israel (said to have been given to the Jewish people by God) which had ceased to exist some two thousand years ago. Prominent among such groups were Christian protestant evangelicals in Britain.
These developed, from the 17th Century onwards, a doctrine of conversion of Jews to Christianity, often linked with their return to Jerusalem. Only in this way, could the devoutly-desired second coming of the Messiah be secured. This belief became widespread in the middle of the 19th century in Britain where it influenced the highest levels of politics.
Towards the end of that century, a thoroughly-assimilated Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist, Theodor Herzl, reacting to antisemitism in Vienna and Paris, proposed the founding of a Jewish nation-state – der Judenstaat.
This encountered vociferous opposition from almost all the Jews of Europe. But Herzl’s careful and incessant knocking on the doors of powerful men in the capitals of Europe was to bring success for his movement in the new century, as rivalries between the great powers spun out of control and crashed into the First World War.
Full artickle:
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/
These developed, from the 17th Century onwards, a doctrine of conversion of Jews to Christianity, often linked with their return to Jerusalem. Only in this way, could the devoutly-desired second coming of the Messiah be secured. This belief became widespread in the middle of the 19th century in Britain where it influenced the highest levels of politics.
Towards the end of that century, a thoroughly-assimilated Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist, Theodor Herzl, reacting to antisemitism in Vienna and Paris, proposed the founding of a Jewish nation-state – der Judenstaat.
This encountered vociferous opposition from almost all the Jews of Europe. But Herzl’s careful and incessant knocking on the doors of powerful men in the capitals of Europe was to bring success for his movement in the new century, as rivalries between the great powers spun out of control and crashed into the First World War.
Full artickle:
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/
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Palestine: a land without people?
Not all members of Hovevei Zion had a Jewish state in mind – some were deeply religious and considered the building of a new temple in Jerusalem would be blasphemous unless directed by a specific sign from God.
Then there was the question of the people who already lived in that part of the Ottoman Empire. Although many Zionists subsequently perpetuated the myth that the land was practically empty, some, who were in contact with the settlements in Palestine, were compelled to face reality.
By 1870, the area later officially recognised as Palestine had a population of approximately 380,000 people: 300,000. 88 per cent were Muslims or Druze, 8 per cent Christian, and per cent were Jews [25].
In 1914-15, according to official Ottoman Census statistics, there were 722,143 people in Palestine, of whom 602,377 were Muslims, 81,012 Christians and 38,754 Jews (of whom 12,332 were Ottoman citizens and the rest immigrants. [26]
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/#loving
Not all members of Hovevei Zion had a Jewish state in mind – some were deeply religious and considered the building of a new temple in Jerusalem would be blasphemous unless directed by a specific sign from God.
Then there was the question of the people who already lived in that part of the Ottoman Empire. Although many Zionists subsequently perpetuated the myth that the land was practically empty, some, who were in contact with the settlements in Palestine, were compelled to face reality.
By 1870, the area later officially recognised as Palestine had a population of approximately 380,000 people: 300,000. 88 per cent were Muslims or Druze, 8 per cent Christian, and per cent were Jews [25].
In 1914-15, according to official Ottoman Census statistics, there were 722,143 people in Palestine, of whom 602,377 were Muslims, 81,012 Christians and 38,754 Jews (of whom 12,332 were Ottoman citizens and the rest immigrants. [26]
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/#loving
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A group of activists known as “cultural Zionists,” did worry about Palestine’s Arab population. Preeminent among these was the Russian writer Asher Ginsberg, who took the pen name Ahad Ha’am (Hebrew for “one of the people”) by which he is best known. He had joined Hovevei Zion but sought a revival of Jewish culture centred on a limited, symbolic presence in that land with so much resonance for the Jewish faith.
Ginsberg’s take on Zionism later attracted a number of leading intellectuals such as Martin Buber, Albert Einstein, Harry Sacher and Hannah Arendt. For Ginsberg, the goal of Zionism should be to revive Judaism not to rescue Jews. The Jewish “homeland” he interpreted as a spiritual renewal.
Mass migration to Palestine was impractical and unacceptable. Settlers would be obliged to assist the Arab population to develop the company and should treat them with respect. Although Ginsberg was a friend of Pinsker’s, he deeply opposed colonizing a country inhabited by people of a different culture and religion.
In 1891, Hovevei Zion asked him to visit Palestine to report on conditions there. This fact-finding tour opened Ginsberg’s eyes; in The Truth from the Land of Israel, he wrote:
From abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth, it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled … If the time comes when the life of our people in Eretz Israel develops to the point of encroaching upon the native population, they will not easily yield their place [27].
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/#loving
Ginsberg’s take on Zionism later attracted a number of leading intellectuals such as Martin Buber, Albert Einstein, Harry Sacher and Hannah Arendt. For Ginsberg, the goal of Zionism should be to revive Judaism not to rescue Jews. The Jewish “homeland” he interpreted as a spiritual renewal.
Mass migration to Palestine was impractical and unacceptable. Settlers would be obliged to assist the Arab population to develop the company and should treat them with respect. Although Ginsberg was a friend of Pinsker’s, he deeply opposed colonizing a country inhabited by people of a different culture and religion.
In 1891, Hovevei Zion asked him to visit Palestine to report on conditions there. This fact-finding tour opened Ginsberg’s eyes; in The Truth from the Land of Israel, he wrote:
From abroad, we are accustomed to believe that Eretz Israel is presently almost totally desolate, an uncultivated desert, and that anyone wishing to buy land there can come and buy all he wants. But in truth, it is not so. In the entire land, it is hard to find tillable land that is not already tilled … If the time comes when the life of our people in Eretz Israel develops to the point of encroaching upon the native population, they will not easily yield their place [27].
http://www.balfourproject.org/the-jewish-question-in-19th-century-europe/#loving
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just remember that there are 2 preterists creating the distractions and posting fabricated 'facts'
that will explain the extraordinary view that leaves scripture out, and therefore God also by default, and creates in them the belief that they are superior
now the dems have lost their case...are stating Trump has not been found guilty but that does not mean he is inoocent
much the same with preterists
the proof is before their eyes, it's not the answer they want and so people are pulling strings trying to make it look like God
Jesus warned us many times of deception
it is the devil's best tool and has worked since the garden
get people to question if God actually said such and such and they will follow a false Jesus, a false spirit and come to a false conclusion
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No,what's too bad is Christians who have swallowed the replacement theology (under many names) and used it against God's chosen people. Then we can't understand why a Jew distrusts a Christian. smh It's a sin, and the church will answer for it. God has his hand on the Jewish people.
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