Why did the Most High God create sin?

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Love is not material. Did God perhaps not create love?

nature of God is love for God is love God did not create love God is love and displayed love in what he created. To Love is what God does freely
 
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IMO sin was a result of being contrary to the Instructions (so to speak).IE Someone gives you something along with an Instruction manual and Instead of following the instructions you decide to put It together on your own without the Instructions and It ends up wrong from the Instructions.Sin Is disobedience to the WORD of GOD.
 
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Are people here denying that God created everything?
I believe GOD created everything but man can take things GOD created and make things out of what GOD created.IE GOD created the sun water and earth,man digs up earth adds water and makes mud and fashions the mud Into an Image.
 

Rondonmon

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Are people here denying that God created everything?
Yes, God not allowing FREE WILL would not have been in God's nature, because God's nature is not to FORCE ANYTHING, if you do not want to be a part of God then you must needs be separated from God because God can not abide sin, His Holy glory would consume it. That is why God had to LEAVE Jesus all alone on the cross when He had all of our sins upon him, that is why Jesus said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken (left) me?"

The opposite of Holy is UNHOLY, as long as God has been around (eternally) there has also been an UNHOLY Spirit, one Lucifer listened unto, of course. Since God is eternal, He didn't create everything because God didn't create Himself, He created everything in our universe, for sure.

Sin is an ACT of Rebellion, how can God make us ACTIVELY REBELL? That is a choice.
 

Funkus

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The existence of the enemy is the greatest evidence there can ever be for free will
study in this area is beneficial
 
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Yes, God not allowing FREE WILL would not have been in God's nature, because God's nature is not to FORCE ANYTHING, if you do not want to be a part of God then you must needs be separated from God because God can not abide sin, His Holy glory would consume it. That is why God had to LEAVE Jesus all alone on the cross when He had all of our sins upon him, that is why Jesus said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken (left) me?"

The opposite of Holy is UNHOLY, as long as God has been around (eternally) there has also been an UNHOLY Spirit, one Lucifer listened unto, of course. Since God is eternal, He didn't create everything because God didn't create Himself, He created everything in our universe, for sure.

Sin is an ACT of Rebellion, how can God make us ACTIVELY REBELL? That is a choice.
Are you denying that Jesus is God?
 
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Yes, God not allowing FREE WILL would not have been in God's nature, because God's nature is not to FORCE ANYTHING, if you do not want to be a part of God then you must needs be separated from God because God can not abide sin, His Holy glory would consume it. That is why God had to LEAVE Jesus all alone on the cross when He had all of our sins upon him, that is why Jesus said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken (left) me?"

The opposite of Holy is UNHOLY, as long as God has been around (eternally) there has also been an UNHOLY Spirit, one Lucifer listened unto, of course. Since God is eternal, He didn't create everything because God didn't create Himself, He created everything in our universe, for sure.

Sin is an ACT of Rebellion, how can God make us ACTIVELY REBELL? That is a choice.
God created everything. Ergo, God created sin. Done.
 

Nehemiah6

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God created everything. Ergo, God created sin. Done.
Looks like you are unable to divest yourself of your false logic. When one repeats the same mistake over and over again, it means that there is a very serious problem.
 

Diakonos

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God created everything. Ergo, God created sin. Done.
Why do you insist that sin is something created?
Sin (like betrayal, walking, thinking, or looking at something), describes an action. It is something that is done, not made.
Furthermore, sin is actually the absence of something, not the substance of something; Sin is a failure to meet the moral standard ("missing the mark").
 
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Why do you insist that sin is something created?
Sin (like betrayal, walking, thinking, or looking at something), describes an action. It is something that is done, not made.
Furthermore, sin is actually the absence of something, not the substance of something; Sin is a failure to meet the moral standard ("missing the mark").
Everything that exists has been created.

Sin is not material. Something does not have to be material to exist. I apologise if that is too much for you to comprehend.
 

Scarlett7297

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He didn't.

He created beings perfect or good, whether angelic or human, and gave them the ability to make free will choices.

Sin was introduced into this creation when Satan willfully chose to rebel against God.

I believe that we see this here in what God said about this "cherub" or angelic being:

Ezekiel chapter 28

[13] Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
[14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
[15] Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
[16] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
[17] Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

This "cherub" or angelic being was "perfect in its ways from the day that it was created, TILL INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN IT".

Apparently, it "sinned" when its "heart was lifted up because of its beauty" or because of PRIDE.

And so it goes until today...
Why should we bear the brunt of this cherub's sin? Why was there someone in the garden tempting mankind in the first place?
 

Scarlett7297

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Wrong, God created beings who CREATED SIN. You are not up to speed on the ways things work.
Isaiah 45:7, KJV, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
 

Scarlett7297

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As we've already seen in relation to the cherub that sinned, he was created perfect (Ezek. 28:15).

When it comes to man and the rest of creation, it was created "very good" (Gen. 1:31).

Sin began in the angelic realm:

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil." (I John 3:8)

It then entered into the human realm via Adam's willful disobedience:

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" (Rom. 5:12)
so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

I don't understand this part of the verse. So death passed upon all men , for that all have sinned? Adam for sure had sinned. And all the people in Noah's days sinned as is apparent by a verse. But how is it a sure thing that all have sinned who are born subsequently? By that I mean why would God give instructions to Cain for not sinning when He knew all will sin? And why give the 10 commandments when all will sin? So basically those who don't sin will not experience death? Or is it a sure thing that all men will sin and thus die? Or is it that Adam brought sin into all his offsprings without the offsprings sinning in the first place? If that is so , then Christ's death has to save everyone born of Adam regardless of them not knowing about Christ's redemption because everyone died whether or not they knew about Adam's sin.
 

Rondonmon

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Isaiah 45:7, KJV, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
If you took the time to study this in-depth (which I have) you would know God is saying he brings Blessings and Cursings. Look again, then think it through, I create the light and the Darkness ( opposites right? ) I create Peace and I create Evil but it really means Strife, or I bring forth bad tidings. In other words, God is Peace, if we abide in Him His Peace falls upon us, if we don't then the strife of life without God comes upon us. What does PEACE have to do with the Creation of Evil? Nothing.

I use a KJV/Hebrew Massoretic Bible, thus I can hover over all of these words and get the origin of the meaning.

7451 רָע ra` {rah}

from H7489; TWOT - 2191a,2191c

—Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

adj
1) bad, evil
1a) bad, disagreeable, malignant
1b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
1c) evil, displeasing
1d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
1e) bad (of value)
1f) worse than, worst (comparison)
1g) sad, unhappy
1h) evil (hurtful)
1i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
1j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
1j1) in general, of persons, of thoughts
1j2) deeds, actions
n m
2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
2a) evil, distress, adversity
2b) evil, injury, wrong
2c) evil (ethical)
n f
3) evil, misery, distress, injury
3a) evil, misery, distress
3b) evil, injury, wrong
3c) evil (ethical)

—Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H7489; bad or (as noun) evil (naturally or morally). This includes the second (feminine) form; as adjective or noun:—adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease (-ure), distress, evil ([-favouredness], man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief (-vous), harm, heavy, hurt (-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief, (-vous), misery, naught (-ty), noisome, + not please, sad (-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked (-ly, -ness, one), worse (-st) wretchedness, wrong. [Including feminine ra'ah; as adjective or noun.]

Evil is tied in with the word, but the Hebrew had only 4000 words and no vowels, YOWM means Day, but it also meant any disruption of TIME, year, Month, a Period of Time, thus God Created the Universe of 7 Periods of time, not 7 days. Likewise, a does mean Evil. but God is not saying He created Evil, he's saying he brings Distress, Calamity, Misery, or in general BAD THINGS against those who come against Him in any wise. Peace is brought by God to whom? Those that trust in Him. Distress is brought by God against whom? Those who do not trust in Him, it has nothing to do with the Origins of Sin.