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Why did the Most High God create sin?
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And if God knows all things far in advance he also knows who will sin (without repentance), before he creates them, correct? If true, then why does God create those who he knows in advance will not repent or believe in him? Is anybody really created with "free will?" God knows who will be saved and who will not before he creates them, correct? Is there any satisfactory answer to that issue, supported by scripture?
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Although it's true that God knows all things far in advance (foreknowledge), this doesn't mean that he determines them (determinism) apart from the free will choices of individuals.
Again, we read:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt. 23:37)
As I've said before, here, we see an obvious clash between Jesus' will ("how often would I") and the wills of others ("and ye would not!").
Christ's will was to gather these people unto himself, but their wills were totally contrary to his own, and they therefore sealed their own fates.
We see this same principle all throughout scripture.
Here is another example of the same:
"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" (Ezek. 33:11)
The LORD's will was clearly that these wicked sinners should turn from their evil ways or repent, but their wills were diametrically opposed to his will, and the LORD therefore rightfully asked, "For WHY WILL YE DIE, O house of Israel?". In other words, it was THEIR WILL to die, and not the LORD's will. This reality, of course, lines up perfectly with what we read in the New Testament.
For example:
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (II Pet. 3:9)
It's the same exact principle that we just read about in Ezekiel 33:11.
The Lord's will is that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
However, many will perish and never repent because of their own free will choices.
Solomon said:
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." (Eccles. 7:29)
God made man upright, but many have sought out many inventions or devices which are contrary to how God originally made them.
Where do these "inventions" or "devices" come from?
From the Satanic/demonic realm.
Again, Satan was "perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, till iniquity was found in him" (Ezek. 28:15).
The word "iniquity" literally means "inequity" or "unequalness" as when our own ways are not equal with God's ways:
Ezekiel chapter 18
[23] Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[25] Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
[27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
[28] Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
[29] Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
[30] Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
[31] Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
[32] For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
God has "equity" or his ways are "equal", and he takes no pleasure in the death of him that dies, but, rather, his will is that we should turn ourselves (repent) and live, and receive a new heart and a new spirit.
Contrariwise, the ways of the sinner truly are "unequal", or full of "iniquity", or full of inequity which will ultimately be their ruin if they choose of their own free will choices not to repent.
Again, "iniquity" began with Satan's rebellion, and, apparently, a third of the angels ultimately joined him in the same (Rev. 12:3-4). These are the spiritual beings or "other gods" that multitudes of people are willfully following to their own eventual destruction if they don't willfully repent before they die.
THIS is what scripture actually teaches, and NOT that God created evil.
God created angels perfect and man very good and upright.
Because of their own free will choices, many angels and men/women have chosen to depart from him who is good (God), and they therefore are evil and will be judged accordingly.
Again, we read:
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt. 23:37)
As I've said before, here, we see an obvious clash between Jesus' will ("how often would I") and the wills of others ("and ye would not!").
Christ's will was to gather these people unto himself, but their wills were totally contrary to his own, and they therefore sealed their own fates.
We see this same principle all throughout scripture.
Here is another example of the same:
"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" (Ezek. 33:11)
The LORD's will was clearly that these wicked sinners should turn from their evil ways or repent, but their wills were diametrically opposed to his will, and the LORD therefore rightfully asked, "For WHY WILL YE DIE, O house of Israel?". In other words, it was THEIR WILL to die, and not the LORD's will. This reality, of course, lines up perfectly with what we read in the New Testament.
For example:
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (II Pet. 3:9)
It's the same exact principle that we just read about in Ezekiel 33:11.
The Lord's will is that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
However, many will perish and never repent because of their own free will choices.
Solomon said:
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." (Eccles. 7:29)
God made man upright, but many have sought out many inventions or devices which are contrary to how God originally made them.
Where do these "inventions" or "devices" come from?
From the Satanic/demonic realm.
Again, Satan was "perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, till iniquity was found in him" (Ezek. 28:15).
The word "iniquity" literally means "inequity" or "unequalness" as when our own ways are not equal with God's ways:
Ezekiel chapter 18
[23] Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
[24] But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
[25] Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
[26] When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
[27] Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
[28] Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
[29] Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
[30] Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
[31] Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
[32] For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
God has "equity" or his ways are "equal", and he takes no pleasure in the death of him that dies, but, rather, his will is that we should turn ourselves (repent) and live, and receive a new heart and a new spirit.
Contrariwise, the ways of the sinner truly are "unequal", or full of "iniquity", or full of inequity which will ultimately be their ruin if they choose of their own free will choices not to repent.
Again, "iniquity" began with Satan's rebellion, and, apparently, a third of the angels ultimately joined him in the same (Rev. 12:3-4). These are the spiritual beings or "other gods" that multitudes of people are willfully following to their own eventual destruction if they don't willfully repent before they die.
THIS is what scripture actually teaches, and NOT that God created evil.
God created angels perfect and man very good and upright.
Because of their own free will choices, many angels and men/women have chosen to depart from him who is good (God), and they therefore are evil and will be judged accordingly.
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Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
God said He created evil but this is indirectly, but because He created angels and people evil came about, but God was not the cause of it.
When God was finished with creation He said it was good.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Lucifer was created perfect in his ways until he made the choice to rebel and exalt himself, and when he rebelled he then was called Satan to identify his new character.
Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
People are made to do good but they sought out their own ways which is rebellion, and babies are born with no sin on their record.
God created the angels and people to do good, but He gave them a choice so that is where evil comes from.
God did not create evil but creation was good, but because of Him creating the angels and people that evil came about, but He did not do it directly.
God said He created evil but this is indirectly, but because He created angels and people evil came about, but God was not the cause of it.
When God was finished with creation He said it was good.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Lucifer was created perfect in his ways until he made the choice to rebel and exalt himself, and when he rebelled he then was called Satan to identify his new character.
Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
People are made to do good but they sought out their own ways which is rebellion, and babies are born with no sin on their record.
God created the angels and people to do good, but He gave them a choice so that is where evil comes from.
God did not create evil but creation was good, but because of Him creating the angels and people that evil came about, but He did not do it directly.
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What a load of rubbish.
If you've honestly been preaching this to others, then you need to repent before both God and everyone you've possibly infected with this heretical nonsense.
Contrary to your "factual" (only to the delusional) claim that there is an "eternal evil" which "will reside in hell forever", here is what Jesus actually taught:
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" (Matt. 25:41)
According to Jesus Christ, everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, who are CREATED BEINGS AND NOT ETERNAL BEINGS, and not for some fictitious "eternal evil" spirit who allegedly tempted Satan to rebel against God.
John, under Divine inspiration (as opposed to your doctrine of devils), similarly wrote:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Rev. 20:10)
Again, absolutely no mention whatsoever of an alleged "eternal evil" spirit which allegedly tempted Satan to rebel against God allegedly residing in hell forever.
Seriously, just repent before both God and men/women.
Your only other option is to continue being an antichrist yourself in the sense that you're teaching things which are in direct opposition to the actual teachings of Christ and his apostles.
If you've honestly been preaching this to others, then you need to repent before both God and everyone you've possibly infected with this heretical nonsense.
Contrary to your "factual" (only to the delusional) claim that there is an "eternal evil" which "will reside in hell forever", here is what Jesus actually taught:
"Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:" (Matt. 25:41)
According to Jesus Christ, everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels, who are CREATED BEINGS AND NOT ETERNAL BEINGS, and not for some fictitious "eternal evil" spirit who allegedly tempted Satan to rebel against God.
John, under Divine inspiration (as opposed to your doctrine of devils), similarly wrote:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Rev. 20:10)
Again, absolutely no mention whatsoever of an alleged "eternal evil" spirit which allegedly tempted Satan to rebel against God allegedly residing in hell forever.
Seriously, just repent before both God and men/women.
Your only other option is to continue being an antichrist yourself in the sense that you're teaching things which are in direct opposition to the actual teachings of Christ and his apostles.
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It does not say that God destroyed evil when God created good. How would you know there was light if you didn't know there could be darkness? You could have no up if there was no down. Scripture speaks often of the evil that is opposition to the good of the Lord.
The Lord asks us to cling to the good and despise the evil. That does not say that evil wasn't part of creation.
The Lord asks us to cling to the good and despise the evil. That does not say that evil wasn't part of creation.
I did refute what you said by quoting scripture to you and said you didn't believe the verse. The verse said God created evil, and you said God didn't mean evil but you changed what the verse said top "physical evil".
I want to thank you for every other one of your posts, they have been a blessing to me. I feel sure you are mistaken about this one, however.
I want to thank you for every other one of your posts, they have been a blessing to me. I feel sure you are mistaken about this one, however.
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You must have me confused with somebody else because I didn't change anything. Instead, I showed you how that underlying Hebrew word was translated elsewhere in the KJV, and how those other translations present a much truer contrast between "peace" and "evil" (not a good translation). I also showed you how the word is much better translated in several other Bible versions.
Beyond that, I also showed that the verse does NOT say "I CREATED", past tense, "evil", but rather "I create evil" or calamity at certain times and/or places throughout history.
Beyond that, I also showed that the verse does NOT say "I CREATED", past tense, "evil", but rather "I create evil" or calamity at certain times and/or places throughout history.
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God created a world which initially was "very good" (Gen. 1:31).
That world was very different from what the Apostle Paul called "this present evil world":
"Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Gal. 1:3-5)
That world was very different from what the Apostle Paul called "this present evil world":
"Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." (Gal. 1:3-5)
God knows all things. Yes, he knows who will sin against him. No-one has free will, we are limited by our genetics and environment. If you don't believe me, will yourself to grow wings and fly.
Yes God knows who will be saved and who will not before they are created. As far as God is concerned, all things that will transpire have already done so.
Yes God knows who will be saved and who will not before they are created. As far as God is concerned, all things that will transpire have already done so.
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Sin
Sin is the term (word) used by God to identify a thing that is not of him,. A practice, thought, action, deed, ECT.
It means to miss the mark such in the case of archery. (Bullseye).
The mark is very good which is found in gen creation story.
Jesus said...no one is good except the father. Paul adds that all have sinned and come short.
Sin is the term used for disobedience in which God stated it brings death. Jesus is life.
Untill we are born again we are all dead men walking. The Lord's creation brings fourth that of its kind so we see that our first two parents sinned. They were dead in trespasses and sin. After which they had children which were born dead. Now by obedience able did and brought the acceptable offering upon doing so life was given to him. ( For how can ones voice be heard after he is dead?).
But Cain refused God's grace to bring the right offering then after killing his brother refused God's forgiveness and said the Lord asked to much of him and walked off. God still shows his grace on him by placing a mark on him so he would not be harmed.
Sin is the term (word) used by God to identify a thing that is not of him,. A practice, thought, action, deed, ECT.
It means to miss the mark such in the case of archery. (Bullseye).
The mark is very good which is found in gen creation story.
Jesus said...no one is good except the father. Paul adds that all have sinned and come short.
Sin is the term used for disobedience in which God stated it brings death. Jesus is life.
Untill we are born again we are all dead men walking. The Lord's creation brings fourth that of its kind so we see that our first two parents sinned. They were dead in trespasses and sin. After which they had children which were born dead. Now by obedience able did and brought the acceptable offering upon doing so life was given to him. ( For how can ones voice be heard after he is dead?).
But Cain refused God's grace to bring the right offering then after killing his brother refused God's forgiveness and said the Lord asked to much of him and walked off. God still shows his grace on him by placing a mark on him so he would not be harmed.