Why did the Most High God create sin?

[oyster67]

You don't believe God to be the creator of all?

Yes He is. Evil usually consists of taking something good and then abusing and twisting it.

Romans
14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.

Matthew
15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Out of man's heart, not God's heart.

 

[jb]

Are people here denying that God created everything?

Try reading your Bible with open eyes and spirit!

Nowhere in the Scriptures does it teach that God created evil!

James 1v13,14 states: "Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed."

God created humans (and angels) with free will, NOT evil wills!

 

[oyster67]

The sin and evil was there before Adam and Ever opposed God, it was contained in the tree.

I think of sin and evil as disobedience to God's command about the tree, rather than being inherent in the tree itself. Satan may have been the first to oppose God. It did not necessitate a tree to get him in trouble. I don't think the tree unleashed the capacity to oppose God. We can't blame God for creating evil. We can't blame sin on the tree or the serpent either. God bless.

 

[oyster67]

God knows all things. Yes, he knows who will sin against him. No-one has free will, we are limited by our genetics and environment. If you don't believe me, will yourself to grow wings and fly.

Yes God knows who will be saved and who will not before they are created. As far as God is concerned, all things that will transpire have already done so.

We cannot will ourselves to grow wings, but we can choose to surrender to Jesus. God gave us the ability to choose who to serve, but not to grow wings.

Foreknowledge is not the same as Forceknowledge. He knew who would choose to surrender to His Son.

 

[true_believer]

I'm sure one of the first questions many Christians will ask when they get to Heaven is, "Why did you create Satan"?
This "angel of light" help ignite the fuse for sin and suffering

 

[Live4Him]

I'm sure one of the first questions many Christians will ask when they get to Heaven is, "Why did you create Satan"?
This "angel of light" help ignite the fuse for sin and suffering

No offense, but that's like a married man asking God why he created other women besides his own wife.

If a man loves his wife, then remaining faithful to her, no matter how many other women there are upon the face of the earth, should be no problem for him whatsoever.

And so it is with God and Satan/demons.

If we truly love God, then remaining faithful to him, although Satan and a host of demonic forces exist, should be no problem for us whatsoever either.

Satan and demons get way too much credit for our sins which are conceived by our own inward lusts or desires:

James chapter 1

[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[true_believer]

No offense, but that's like a married man asking God why he created other women besides his own wife.

If a man loves his wife, then remaining faithful to her, no matter how many other women there are upon the face of the earth, should be no problem for him whatsoever.

And so it is with God and Satan/demons.

If we truly love God, then remaining faithful to him, although Satan and a host of demonic forces exist, should be no problem for us whatsoever either.

Satan and demons get way too much credit for our sins which are conceived by our own inward lusts or desires:

James chapter 1

[13] Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Satan's antics were a fundamental cause of The Fall. Many theologians wouldn't hesitate to ask questions regarding his existence or origins.

 

[Live4Him]

Satan's antics were a fundamental cause of The Fall. Many theologians wouldn't hesitate to ask questions regarding his existence or origins.

Satan was definitely in the mix, but, even then, it was Eve's own desires or lusts which caused her to yield to him.

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." (Gen. 3:6)

 

[Blik]

I think of sin and evil as disobedience to God's command about the tree, rather than being inherent in the tree itself. Satan may have been the first to oppose God. It did not necessitate a tree to get him in trouble. I don't think the tree unleashed the capacity to oppose God. We can't blame God for creating evil. We can't blame sin on the tree or the serpent either. God bless.

Evil was contained in the garden of Eden, it was there but man did not know any evil. Evil kills and God wants us to live. We are to be forgiven for evil, and want to live with good. God conquers evil, but it is still a fact that there is evil.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

God created EVERYTHING.

Let us suppose a parent raises a child, and when that child is an adult he commits a crime. Does the parent get charged with their son's crime?

What does God's word say about these things?

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

 

[Rondonmon]

If you don't understand the opposite of God has to exist else God can't be called Holy then I can't help you. To me that is like those who actually believe the Universe is 6000 years old, they don't think logically. Of course, God is an Eternal Holy Spirit and the opposite Spirit of God is an Eternal Evil Spirit.

If there is no Unholy how is there a Holy? I don't get how you people on this board can't understand simple concepts and simple truths. Of course, if there is a Holy there has to be an UNHOLY, it is the opposite of what God is. Yu dn;t seem to understand that God is a Spirit, have you ever deeply contemplated what that means? It means God has no body like men, like Angels, etc.

God's Persona is EXPRESSED in Human form in Jesus Christ, thus Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but God the Father has the Abundance of the Glory. This is why we could look upon Jesus, this is why we can have the Holy Spirit living in us, but we can't look upon the Glory of God lest we die we can't host the full Glor of the Father, we would be consumed. God the Father has the abundance of the Glory, God the Son is his express image in that he is Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, etc. all, God the Holy Spirit is God in Spirit, our Helper, but not the Fullness of His Glory. This is why we know the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as the Trinity, one and the Same IN SPIRIT, but not in the Abundance of Glory. These are much deeper understandings I am afraid than people on a message board seem willing to contemplate. It is what it is. However, not understanding that there has to be an UNHOLY Spirit if there is a Holy Spirit is kind of bafflmg tbh. that is like 2 + 2 stuff.

Now, I admit I had never contemplated it until 5 or so years ago, but the facts are the Anti-christ or anti-god spirit has to have ALWAYS BEEN AROUND, it simply means Against God, and thus any thought or will that is AGAINST God is an antichrist spirit, and Satan couldn't have CHOSEN that if it did ot already exist. Satan chose to Rebel, well Rebellion simply means to CHOSE to go AGAINST God. Thus just like God is a Spirit and is Honest, Holy, Pure, Truthful, Kind, etc., etc, then the anti-christ or anti-god spirit is Hateful, Murder, Death, Chaos, Untruthfulness, etc. all. If you have God then the anti-christ Spirit simply means whatever is AGAINST God. It's not that complex in reality.

 

[VickyK]

Let us suppose a parent raises a child, and when that child is an adult he commits a crime. Does the parent get charged with their son's crime?

What does God's word say about these things?

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The parent did not create the material universe.

 

[Blik]

If there is no Unholy how is there a Holy? I don't get how you people on this board can't understand simple concepts and simple truths. Of course, if there is a Holy there has to be an UNHOLY, it is the opposite of what God is. Yu dn;t seem to understand that God is a Spirit, have you ever deeply contemplated what that means? It means God has no body like men, like Angels, etc.

God's Persona is EXPRESSED in Human form in Jesus Christ, thus Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God, but God the Father has the Abundance of the Glory. This is why we could look upon Jesus, this is why we can have the Holy Spirit living in us, but we can't look upon the Glory of God lest we die we can't host the full Glor of the Father, we would be consumed. God the Father has the abundance of the Glory, God the Son is his express image in that he is Love, Hope, Joy, Peace, etc. all, God the Holy Spirit is God in Spirit, our Helper, but not the Fullness of His Glory. This is why we know the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as the Trinity, one and the Same IN SPIRIT, but not in the Abundance of Glory. These are much deeper understandings I am afraid than people on a message board seem willing to contemplate. It is what it is. However, not understanding that there has to be an UNHOLY Spirit if there is a Holy Spirit is kind of bafflmg tbh. that is like 2 + 2 stuff.

Now, I admit I had never contemplated it until 5 or so years ago, but the facts are the Anti-christ or anti-god spirit has to have ALWAYS BEEN AROUND, it simply means Against God, and thus any thought or will that is AGAINST God is an antichrist spirit, and Satan couldn't have CHOSEN that if it did ot already exist. Satan chose to Rebel, well Rebellion simply means to CHOSE to go AGAINST God. Thus just like God is a Spirit and is Honest, Holy, Pure, Truthful, Kind, etc., etc, then the anti-christ or anti-god spirit is Hateful, Murder, Death, Chaos, Untruthfulness, etc. all. If you have God then the anti-christ Spirit simply means whatever is AGAINST God. It's not that complex in reality.

I don't see how it can be that this post isn't the way everyone explains it. People seem to think you can have an up without having a down!

God asks us to cling to the holy and abhor the unholy. How can we abhor the unholy if it isn't there? If God created our earth and the way it operates, I wonder who they think created unholy! Scripture tells us demons and Satan are fallen angels, and angels were created by the Lord.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

The parent did not create the material universe.

So then what if Christ's atonement paid for God's own mistakes too?

 

[Blik]

So then what if Christ's atonement paid for God's own mistakes too?

If you read scripture with the wrong idea that when anything God commanded changes it is because God made a mistake you are not understanding the Lord. God is holy and does not make mistakes.

With every change, the basic principles of our Lord stays the same. God changed the sacrificial system that was a shadow of Christ. The principle (God gave blood on the altar) is the same. God said cutting foreskin to seal that pact that man belonged to God was not necessary any longer, but that man needs to belong to God did not change.

 

[Magenta]

I don't see how it can be that this post isn't the way everyone explains it. People seem to think you can have an up without having a down!

God asks us to cling to the holy and abhor the unholy. How can we abhor the unholy if it isn't there? If God created our earth and the way it operates, I wonder who they think created unholy! Scripture tells us demons and Satan are fallen angels, and angels were created by the Lord.

Who is denying evil exists? Once again you completely fail to grasp what is really being said and as a result, as usual, misrepresent what people are objecting to, while at the same time, agreeing with someone who says that God CANNOT exist unless an eternally self existent evil entity exists to oppose God. Such a concept is nowhere found in Scripture, and it is abominable that you support it.

 

[ToastAndTea]

Amen.

God never created sin because sin is not a material thing that can be created. Sin is a product of the evil that is within the human heart. God wills evil to exist (for a time and a season) in order to bring about His plans and purposes. So great is His love for us that He would allow us to make the choice to have a relationship with Him, even if it meant we could also choose not to have a relationship with Him. He wants us to desire Him. Where there is no free will, there can be no love.

 

[VickyK]

God never created sin because sin is not a material thing that can be created. Sin is a product of the evil that is within the human heart. God wills evil to exist (for a time and a season) in order to bring about His plans and purposes. So great is His love for us that He would allow us to make the choice to have a relationship with Him, even if it meant we could also choose not to have a relationship with Him. He wants us to desire Him. Where there is no free will, there can be no love.

Love is not material. Did God perhaps not create love?

 

[oyster67]

Love is not material. Did God perhaps not create love?

Love is a choice. God does not make (or create) our choices for us. God chose to love everyone. He sent down His only begotten Son to prove it. He loved us before we chose to love Him back.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[Funkus]

Love is not material. Did God perhaps not create love?

Love is material, because God is love, it's spiritually material
What God created is the potentiality for all that came to be to exist
In a devolved sense God created sin through creating beings with free will who could do so, but that's different from the way you phrased your original question
If free will comes into it then you could ask why did God create beings with free will?
but maybe you wouldn't want to complain about that since you are one