WE are judged by what we do vs. we are saved by faith alone.
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Friend, you have to spend time to interpret that verse.
You have to read Matt 25 as well so you able to interpret that verse.
Does not come to Judgement on that verse mean not come to punishment.
Like a people on the right, Jesus not punish them.
I check dictionary one of the definition of judgement is
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2 a misfortune or calamity viewed as a divine punishment.
"the crash had been a judgment on the parents for wickedness"
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Judgement can mean Devine punishment
Yes if you believe in Jesus, mean also believe what He say how He will judge, you prepare and exercise love, feed the hungry, exactly as say in Matt 25.
Let me remind you Matt 25 is part of the gospel, not ot, NT
You have to read Matt 25 as well so you able to interpret that verse.
Does not come to Judgement on that verse mean not come to punishment.
Like a people on the right, Jesus not punish them.
I check dictionary one of the definition of judgement is
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2 a misfortune or calamity viewed as a divine punishment.
"the crash had been a judgment on the parents for wickedness"
End quote
Judgement can mean Devine punishment
Yes if you believe in Jesus, mean also believe what He say how He will judge, you prepare and exercise love, feed the hungry, exactly as say in Matt 25.
Let me remind you Matt 25 is part of the gospel, not ot, NT
FreeGrace2 said:
I asked you for the verse that SAYS to "invite Jesus in".
Again, do you have any verses? Or is this just your own opinion?
OK, I'll take that as "no, I don't have any verse that supports or teaches what I have said". Got it.
I have already asked if you understand anything about "fellowship". Well, do you?
If you don't, there's no point in trying to explain John 15 to you.
I asked you for the verse that SAYS to "invite Jesus in".
Again, do you have any verses? Or is this just your own opinion?
OK, I'll take that as "no, I don't have any verse that supports or teaches what I have said". Got it.
I have already asked if you understand anything about "fellowship". Well, do you?
If you don't, there's no point in trying to explain John 15 to you.
Could you at least summarize and give us a few of what "becomes" those who sin?
What I'd really like, though, is a clear verse about actually losing salvation, or about a believer who ends up in hell.
When I ask for a "clear verse", I'm NOT looking for any parables, or metaphors. They can be taken in a whole lot of ways that simply fit the opinion of the poster.
What I'd really like, though, is a clear verse about actually losing salvation, or about a believer who ends up in hell.
When I ask for a "clear verse", I'm NOT looking for any parables, or metaphors. They can be taken in a whole lot of ways that simply fit the opinion of the poster.
I believe sin separates us from God. God doesn’t separate me from him, my sin that I freely choose does.
If I choose to commit adultery against my wife, 1 Corinthians says I will not inherit the kingdom of God. At the moment I decided to do that, I turned my back on God and what he expects from Christians. He still loves me and wants me to be saved, but he will not reward me with heaven unless I make that right and confess my sin.
If I choose to commit adultery against my wife, 1 Corinthians says I will not inherit the kingdom of God. At the moment I decided to do that, I turned my back on God and what he expects from Christians. He still loves me and wants me to be saved, but he will not reward me with heaven unless I make that right and confess my sin.
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To me look otherwise you don't understand what faith is.
This a verse you give
8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Salvation not by work, it is true, as soon as you accept Christ and die on the next second, you are save
But faith have a fruit.
To me john 15 is another side of faith. You entrust to Jesus to the point you in Him and He in you than you bear fruit.
So when you entrust yourself to Him. Or have faith you bear the fruit.
Salvation not by work but some time create a lot of work.
What happen to Noah, his faith cause him work thousand of hours to build an arch.
Paul, his faith cause him work preaching the gospel risk his life.
Not by work but create a lot of work. Or your faith may not for real
Let me repeat my example
God told Noah, :"I will flood the earth, build an arch to save your family."
Noah :" I believe you Lord/I have faith in you Lord"
Then Noah sleep and never build an arch
What kind of faith he has?
This a verse you give
8 For it is by grace you have been saved,through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Salvation not by work, it is true, as soon as you accept Christ and die on the next second, you are save
But faith have a fruit.
To me john 15 is another side of faith. You entrust to Jesus to the point you in Him and He in you than you bear fruit.
So when you entrust yourself to Him. Or have faith you bear the fruit.
Salvation not by work but some time create a lot of work.
What happen to Noah, his faith cause him work thousand of hours to build an arch.
Paul, his faith cause him work preaching the gospel risk his life.
Not by work but create a lot of work. Or your faith may not for real
Let me repeat my example
God told Noah, :"I will flood the earth, build an arch to save your family."
Noah :" I believe you Lord/I have faith in you Lord"
Then Noah sleep and never build an arch
What kind of faith he has?
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The Bible tells us differently.
Romans 8:35 - 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
The answer is No one. More than that, Paul lists all the things that WON'T separate us from Christ's love.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The bolded words include EVERYTHING that can happen in the present or the future. That would include sin.
Even sin can't separate us. Why? Because Christ died for sin. It's no longer an issue in salvation.
For the believer, you are correct. Your sin will separate you from fellowship with God. That is why John gave us 1 Jn 1:9, so we can be restored to fellowship through confession of our sins.
It is a mistake to assume "not inheriting the kingdom" means "not entering the kingdom". It doesn't, regardless of what your pastor may say.
To "inherit the kingdom" is the same as saying "reign with Him".
2 Tim 2:12 - if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us;
Some translations have "disown", but if that were the meaning, then that verse is contradictory with Romans 8:35. And Paul wrote both of them.
What Christ will deny us is the privilege of reigning with Him.
Same teaching in Romans 8:17b- co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
iow, in order to "share in His glory" which means the same as "to reign with Him" in 2 Tim 2:12, we have to "share in His sufferings", which means we have to "endure".
No, once you have been given eternal life, which occurs AT THE MOMENT of saving faith in Him, per John 5:24, Jesus says recipients of erternal life shall never perish, in John 10:28.
Do you believe what Jesus teaches?
Romans 8:35 - 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
The answer is No one. More than that, Paul lists all the things that WON'T separate us from Christ's love.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The bolded words include EVERYTHING that can happen in the present or the future. That would include sin.
Even sin can't separate us. Why? Because Christ died for sin. It's no longer an issue in salvation.
For the believer, you are correct. Your sin will separate you from fellowship with God. That is why John gave us 1 Jn 1:9, so we can be restored to fellowship through confession of our sins.
It is a mistake to assume "not inheriting the kingdom" means "not entering the kingdom". It doesn't, regardless of what your pastor may say.
To "inherit the kingdom" is the same as saying "reign with Him".
2 Tim 2:12 - if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us;
Some translations have "disown", but if that were the meaning, then that verse is contradictory with Romans 8:35. And Paul wrote both of them.
What Christ will deny us is the privilege of reigning with Him.
Same teaching in Romans 8:17b- co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
iow, in order to "share in His glory" which means the same as "to reign with Him" in 2 Tim 2:12, we have to "share in His sufferings", which means we have to "endure".
No, once you have been given eternal life, which occurs AT THE MOMENT of saving faith in Him, per John 5:24, Jesus says recipients of erternal life shall never perish, in John 10:28.
Do you believe what Jesus teaches?
I understand your opinion. But it's still wrong.
No, faith doesn't have a fruit. It has salvation.
Jesus was speaking to 11 SAVED disciples. He was telling them about what is required to bear fruit.
Your opinion is very confused.
No, his faith didn't cause him to do anything. I've already explained the difference. Faith leads us, but doesn't CAUSE us.
No, faith doesn't have a fruit. It has salvation.
Jesus was speaking to 11 SAVED disciples. He was telling them about what is required to bear fruit.
Your opinion is very confused.
No, his faith didn't cause him to do anything. I've already explained the difference. Faith leads us, but doesn't CAUSE us.
