Understanding God’s election
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14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do, I do not do. But what I hate, I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I admit that the law is good. 17 In that case, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20 And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
I made it larger for you again. It seems you missed it the first time...
Oh. Or maybe you don't believe Paul? I already know you don't believe Jesus:
A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Yes, I do understand how you try to twist and dance around that. Throwing
out a plethora of verses. But it does not change the truth of the matter.
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh; for I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do. Instead, I keep on doing the evil I do not want to do. 20 And if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
I made it larger for you again. It seems you missed it the first time...
Oh. Or maybe you don't believe Paul? I already know you don't believe Jesus:
A bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Yes, I do understand how you try to twist and dance around that. Throwing
out a plethora of verses. But it does not change the truth of the matter.
Not tough at all. I know the intent behind the question. Romans 1 tells us even those who reject God had God manifest Himself in ways for them to believe in God. So ultimately, whether they fall under Romans 1 or they become sheep they were all physically born into this world whether they wanted to be or not.
This scenario makes God responsible for everything because He is the first cause of everything. But God isn't culpable for evil, is He? Or do you believe He is?
You have quite the dilemma. You make God culpable for the sinful actions of Satan and Adam. That's tenuous ground to stand upon. You also make God out to be unjust in His choice of repercussions. I can only point you to Romans 9:20...who art thou that repliest against God?
You have quite the dilemma. You make God culpable for the sinful actions of Satan and Adam. That's tenuous ground to stand upon. You also make God out to be unjust in His choice of repercussions. I can only point you to Romans 9:20...who art thou that repliest against God?
Yes, you did, and yes, He was. Possibly I misunderstood you, but I thought you were saying they became saved because they understood; that is, that their understanding of His sacrifice was what saved them. If so, I am saying the reverse of that, that they understood because they were saved - that their salvation came first with their understanding coming from that.
The wrong view of god’s sovereignty can determine that anyone or multiple moral attributes of his need not apply for any given situation.
A.W. Pink writes: “When we say god is Sovereign in the exercise of his love, we mean that he loves who he chooses and god does NOT love everybody.”
In this worldview “Sovereign” means god does not have to function in harmony with HIS OWN moral nature.
He creates a fallen human nature that man has no ability to respond to the Good News, not only is it that his human nature is hard wired from birth to sin continuously, he does not become a sinner, no he is a hard wired sinner from birth to do evil.
For the small god’s the attribute of love is simply a small option that god has and if he rarely uses it there is no problem whatsoever that is what it means to be Sovereign.
Yet scripture clearly states God IS Love, His essential nature IS Love.
Yes, He is also Omnipotent and Omniscient, however, God’s Moral attributes in a sense would govern how God’s power is expressed always!
A.W. Pink writes: “When we say god is Sovereign in the exercise of his love, we mean that he loves who he chooses and god does NOT love everybody.”
In this worldview “Sovereign” means god does not have to function in harmony with HIS OWN moral nature.
He creates a fallen human nature that man has no ability to respond to the Good News, not only is it that his human nature is hard wired from birth to sin continuously, he does not become a sinner, no he is a hard wired sinner from birth to do evil.
For the small god’s the attribute of love is simply a small option that god has and if he rarely uses it there is no problem whatsoever that is what it means to be Sovereign.
Yet scripture clearly states God IS Love, His essential nature IS Love.
Yes, He is also Omnipotent and Omniscient, however, God’s Moral attributes in a sense would govern how God’s power is expressed always!
