Understanding God’s election

[John146]

I guess you think that an all-loving God dishonored himself when he consigned all fallen angles to eternal damnation?

The angels that sinned. It was their choice. Nothing predetermined there.

 

[Magenta]

That's not what I asked you. I asked: Did any of us get to choose the GIFT of PHYSICAL life to which we were effectually
"called" -- a gift which was bestowed on each of us. Tough question for you, which is why you evaded a straight answer?

Some people are just obtuse. Just making a simple observation.

 

[John146]

The blind cannot see.

The gospel is the light that can open their eyes.

2 Corinthians 4:
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

 

[Magenta]

The gospel is the light that can open their eyes.

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god
of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious
gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Darkness (the natural man himself) does not comprehend the Light. See John 1:5

 

[Cameron143]

There we have it

“. . . lay all of the abuse and destruction mankind has produced at the feet of God.”

This is a heinous system, and should be carefully examined and rejected by all who love truth

Again, thanks for the reply.
I lay all the abuse and destruction at the feet of sin. Those originally culpable for sin are Lucifer and Adam. That is where I lay the guilt, just as God has. You don't seem to make the same judgment concerning culpability as God does. Perhaps you can show me from scripture where God blames Himself for the actions of Satan and Adam.

 

[Rufus]

Calvinites aways fall back onto their "catch phrase" mirages, illusions and hocus pocus when they are in a tight spot.
Yes, they try to put on a good show, but they fail to anticipate their demise when Toto shows up and pulls back the curtain.

Freewillers ALWAYS make assumptions when they read passages, and then read those assumptions into given passage (that method of interpretation called eisegesis!) thereby deceiving themselves into believing that they have proven God's truth, which in reality is one of their falsehoods.

 

[Cameron143]

Because we have the rest of the story, we know the promised seed to be Christ. The serpent was not privy to this information.

Thanks for replying.
We aren't told what Satan knew, but through Herod he did try to kill the Christ child. Perhaps this is what some of the verses you alluded to is referring.

 

[John146]

That's not what I asked you. I asked: Did any of us get to choose the GIFT of PHYSICAL life to which we were effectually "called" -- a gift which was bestowed on each of us. Tough question for you, which is why you evaded a straight answer?

Question, how many times is man appointed to die? Will some die twice? Why or why not?

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

 

[Magenta]

Freewillers ALWAYS make assumptions when they read passages, and then read those assumptions
into given passage (that method of interpretation called eisegesis!) thereby deceiving themselves
into believing that they have proven God's truth, which in reality is one of their falsehoods.

It is my experience that they simply refuse to read some verses and throw multiple verses completely
out of view whenever they attempt to integrate from their understanding the meaning of the text.

Then they will tell us, oh, you take that verse too seriously. LOL

While we are being accused of losing sight of the overall message of the Bible.

 

[John146]

Darkness (the natural man himself) does not comprehend the Light. See John 1:5

The power of the gospel can penetrate the darkness. I believe that.

 

[Rufus]

Incorrect and totally illogical, you know man could never had the ability to design the effects of the fall.

Now you will live in cognitive dissonance because these cannot be reconciled, either God is sovereign or your view of fallen human nature is incorrect.

There are only two options!!

With all due respect, you don't read too swell. Cameron did not say that man created or designed the effects of the fall. But what he did basically say is that the effects were due to man's sin. God most certainly "designed" the effects when he promised DEATH for disobedience to his command. And death is what renders man helpless -- both in the physical and spiritual realms.

 

[HeIsHere]

I lay all the abuse and destruction at the feet of sin.

god constructed that nature in fallen man, man has no choice but to behave according to the nature god gave him at the fall.
Case closed.

 

[John146]

Thanks for replying.
We aren't told what Satan knew, but through Herod he did try to kill the Christ child. Perhaps this is what some of the verses you alluded to is referring.

Yes, Satan attacked the seed through Herod, in the same manner as he was attacking through Pharoah ordering all the Hebrew boys to be killed.

 

[HeIsHere]

The power of the gospel can penetrate the darkness. I believe that.

Some people do not.
They think man has to be regenerated first.

 

[Rufus]

The power of the gospel can penetrate the darkness. I believe that.

But only by the power of the Holy Spirit after he opens sinners' eyes. And He clearly does not open all people's eyes.

 

[Magenta]

The power of the gospel can penetrate the darkness. I believe that.

Okay. Do you have the natural man accepting what Scripture says he cannot know or receive, and believing what is foolishness to him?

 

[cv5]

I guess you think that an all-loving God dishonored himself when he consigned all fallen angles to eternal damnation?

Get a clue man.
Jesus God is literally weeping for his lost angelic sons. Including Satan himself.

 

[Rufus]

Some people do not.
They think man has to be regenerated first.

Yeah...it's called preserving the parallels between physical and spiritual death. Something you are loathe to do!

 

[Magenta]

Yeah...it's called preserving the parallels between physical and spiritual death. Something you are loathe to do!

Oh but they did raise themselves to life while they were dead. So there is that...

Didn't they????

 

[HeIsHere]

With all due respect, you don't read too swell. Cameron did not say that man created or designed the effects of the fall. But what he did basically say is that the effects were due to man's sin. God most certainly "designed" the effects when he promised DEATH for disobedience to his command. And death is what renders man helpless -- both in the physical and spiritual realms.

I read this .. seems quite clear.

The nature of the corruption was indeed formulated by God.

If God did not design it then God is not sovereign, then who did design it, it could not have been some spontaneous uncontrolled result.
God determined the effects of the fall on man's nature.