Understanding God’s election

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1Cor 8:3 aren't my words. Nor is Jn 16:27! You just HATE God's Truth, don't you? You are just like the lost God-hating world that consider the Gospel to be foolishness.
You aren’t totally good at taking hints huh? Not suprising given your Bible interpretations though lol

well you’ve been entertaining but I have things to do you’ll have to find another person to troll for awhile 😂
 

Rufus

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Yeah more foolishness basically lol
Translate: You're UNABLE to reconcile Acts 10 with the examples I have given. And here I thought your all powerful, mighty "freewill" that can will itself to become something it's not by nature would be able to address issues like these. Hmm...but rather weakness and impotence clearly characterize your "freewill".
 

Rufus

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You aren’t totally good at taking hints huh? Not suprising given your Bible interpretations though lol

well you’ve been entertaining but I have things to do you’ll have to find another person to troll for awhile 😂
I'm as good at taking "hints" as you are at defending the heresies that inhere in FWT.
 
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“If God "WANTS" all men w/o exception to be saved, then all men would be saved.”

nope that’s just what you guys think , Gods been telling us all along the choice is ours ….some just refuse to listen

hes provided for everyone’s salvation but everyone has to choose themselves between good and evil ….

but this is pointless I have no interest in circles and arguing with no reason and rhyme. Too old for it not enough time to simply waste for no reason . You are welcome to believe anything you choose it’s not a stub of my toe or anything if you disagree lol I’m good with it.
And the good part is to believe the gospel and the bad part is to reject it.
 
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And the good part is to believe the gospel and the bad part is to reject it.
Right I agree. That’s the new covenant the gospel and hearing and belief is the requirement. If we believe the gospel it’s going to result in salvation but it’s going to change our actions as well in the way there

if we reject the gospel and invent other things it’s going to lead to a different destination.

our choice is to believe or reject the gospel to dismiss or hold close the gospel to disregard or to follow after and pursue the gospel …..
 

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Right I agree. That’s the new covenant the gospel and hearing and belief is the requirement. If we believe the gospel it’s going to result in salvation but it’s going to change our actions as well in the way there
No. for those placed under the New Covenant by God, through Christ's offering, NO requirements exist that they must satisfy. God, Himself, assumed responsibility to achieve and impute all on their behalf - and that is what makes salvation is by grace.

It was all achieved through Christ. Notice in the below verses that:
- the covenant is unilateral - it being directly from God in its fullness to His chosen with acceptance neither required nor possible
- the "I" and "he" designates that all are God's actions, none of them man's
- God places His laws into their hearts and minds. By that, no part remains undone, nor that must be "received" by them.
- For those placed under the New Covenant, their sins and iniquities, He remembers no more.
- By the remission of their sins, God has removed all possibility for further offering for sin - Christ's offering was fully sufficient.
- There is nothing that remains for the recipient to do in order to achieve it.



[Heb 10:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
 

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AMEN to that! One drop of Jesus' shed blood could have efficaciously saved the entire world if He had ordained that! But as it is, God has chosen instead to "play favorites", since he has historically treated men unequally. He treated the Israelities in the wilderness differently with the bronze serpent incident. Even before that, he treated the Hebrews in Egypt differently than he did the Egyptians. And even long before that, He treated Adam and Eve in the Garden differently. God is most definitely a "respecter of persons". :coffee:
I have a question for you Rufus.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that
we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Whom is Paul speaking to in chapter seven is it the Gentiles or the Jews?
 

Rufus

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No. for those placed under the New Covenant by God, through Christ's offering, NO requirements exist that they must satisfy. God, Himself, assumed responsibility to achieve and impute all on their behalf - and that is what makes salvation is by grace.

It was all achieved through Christ. Notice in the below verses that:
- the covenant is unilateral - it being directly from God in its fullness to His chosen with acceptance neither required nor possible
- the "I" and "he" designates that all are God's actions, none of them man's
- God places His laws into their hearts and minds. By that, no part remains undone, nor that must be "received" by them.
- For those placed under the New Covenant, their sins and iniquities, He remembers no more.
- By the remission of their sins, God has removed all possibility for further offering for sin - Christ's offering was fully sufficient.
- There is nothing that remains for the recipient to do in order to achieve it.



[Heb 10:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
AMEN brother! Amen! The New Covenant is 1,000% EFFECTUAL GRACE. God isn't a potential Savior. Nor a possible Savior. Nor does he toss people life preserver lines giving them opportunities to save themselves. He actually SAVES His covenant people which are Abraham's descendants! (y)
 
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No. for those placed under the New Covenant by God, through Christ's offering, NO requirements exist that they must satisfy. God, Himself, assumed responsibility to achieve and impute all on their behalf - and that is what makes salvation is by grace.

It was all achieved through Christ. Notice in the below verses that:
- the covenant is unilateral - it being directly from God in its fullness to His chosen with acceptance neither required nor possible
- the "I" and "he" designates that all are God's actions, none of them man's
- God places His laws into their hearts and minds. By that, no part remains undone, nor that must be "received" by them.
- For those placed under the New Covenant, their sins and iniquities, He remembers no more.
- By the remission of their sins, God has removed all possibility for further offering for sin - Christ's offering was fully sufficient.
- There is nothing that remains for the recipient to do in order to achieve it.



[Heb 10:14, 16-18 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
Yes, God will put his laws to them, and their sins will be remembered anymore them that does the will of God"...after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. Hebrews 10:36 or those "...that believe to the saving of the soul." Hebrews 10:39