Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

[Oseas]

Where you got this stuft from? This is a mixture of scripture and a man made Story. How can you expect that somebody believes this?

Well, what eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which the Most High and Almighty God has prepared for them that love Him.

What man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

Even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God, which things also I speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

It is written: the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. It's it.

 

[Oseas]

Just because there is a figurative reference to certain words does not mean they always apply. Genesis 1:2 says "darkness was on the face of the earth." Could that mean "death?" I don't think so

You are right. You are right. Death is a powerful ENEMY.
Scriptures leave very very clear, saying: 1 Cor. 15:
24 The END comes , when he - JESUS - shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all ENEMIES (THE LIST IS LARGE) under his feet.
26 The last ENEMY that shall be destroyed is death.

Going along with all the other context, I think it just means dark.

Yes, after the fall in the Garden of Eden, for a long time only darkness remained, there was only and only darkness on earth (the Garden of Eden was on earth, of course), but God is light, so His first work, after a great interval of time between the fall at Eden and the beginning of His plan to restore all things, was to cry out: Let there be Light, and there was light.

 

[Oseas]

A Formless Earth in Darkness that is Void (Gen 1:2) is consider DEAD.

No true. No true. It's tares.

 

[Oseas]

If people start saying the 6 days of creation was 12 hour day and 12 hour night and try to spread the news around the earth as such, it will not fly in places it doesn’t. It will be a false statement to those people and rightly so.

Good post. Good post.

WE, the Christian people, cannot be focused in the letter of Scriptures and try to interpret the works of God by the letter, it because the letter kills, reason by which a lot of false statements (tares) have been spread in whole world through them which preach the express Word of God by the letter. What will be their reward?

The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Well, once the letter of the express Word of God kills, then all them which preach God's Word by the letter are killers, killers of souls. What will be their reward?

 

[Oseas]

JESUS said unto the scribes and Pharisees:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

 

[garee]

I do agree that there is a difference in the word light and how it is used in scripture, though the 12 hour and 12 hour is clock thinking in my opinion regardless of how the earth rotates in front of the sun. Other planetary bodies in our solar system don’t use a 12 hour day and 12 hour night. So why did God create them one reason is to show what we know about time keepers will only be half of a understanding.

Good way to explain..... I/2 hid like a parable or how he describes His own self, as our hiding place.

Interestingly as it would seem God had corrupted by reason of finding pride in the heart of Lucifer possibly between day three and four. Perhaps in the twinkling of the eye . And then begins the temporal time period at evening .The opposite as in day one beginning with light... let there be light. And the first one it would seem would be in the new order in the end . No more darkness to represent night as that which speak of that which lacks good (light)

 

[2Pillars]

2Pillars said: A Formless Earth in Darkness that is Void (Gen 1:2) is consider DEAD.

No true. No true. It's tares.

I don't find your objection properly articulated and it is without foundation or merit -- Therefore, OBJECTION DENIED.

No rebuttal is needed at this time.

 

[wolfwint]

Well, what eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which the Most High and Almighty God has prepared for them that love Him.

What man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him?

Even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God, which things also I speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

It is written: the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. It's it.

What you want to say with this? That I am no believer?

Revelation 20:v.6-15

The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years (365.000 24hours days) were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with JESUS a thousand years. (The Millennium of Christ, the seventh and last millennium or the seventh and last Day)

7 And when the thousand years (365.000 24hours days - the millennium) are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It seems me that you cant give an accurate reply. You takeing a part of what is written and give either no reply ore an new theme.
Better you should claim your view as an own idea which maby can be true.
Then to claim your view as truth, and all who dont agree with it, have not the Holy Spirit and are wrong.
Your view is nothing else then your view if it is not fitting with Gods word.
And presently you show that your view fits not with Gods word.
Have a happy resurrection feast!

 

[garee]

Dear Garee,

I am sorry, but you seem to be confuse my friend, on HOW Adam was PHYSICALLY FORMED (Heb-Yatsar = squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) on the 3rd Day BEFORE both A&E, together, were created in the image and likeness of God, spiritually on the 6th Day.... AFTER they called upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ... they were forgiven and redeemed by God - the Trinity.

YHWH, the Son, formed (Heb- Yatzar) Adam physically on the 3rd Day (Gen 2:4-7) , but Adam fell from perfection on the 6th Day and was cast from the Garden along with Eve. They had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel... and kicked out to the land of Nod on the east of Eden.

Both A&E were "created" (Heb -Bara) Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26; 2:5-1-3... and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

See the link where I show based on my reconciliation of HOW and WHEN the physical forming of Adam took place on the 3rd Day .... Post # 102

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nding-genesis-1-2-the-beginning.184467/page-6

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Another Misunderstanding- The last Adam in the context of the cited text above is still Adam, himself, the Man, NOT Jesus Christ,.... simply, because, Christ IS the Source of Quickening Spirit ...... not that Jesus Christ, the Source of quickening spirit, was MADE given himself a quickening spirit... as the cited text indicated.

God bless

Its a common error to look at the two accounts and not reconcile the difference of literary devices. One describes general sequence 1-7 days the other points to the subject mater of day 6 having to do with the gospel , describing an event from the general consensus chapter 1 to the specific chapter 2.

Study both creation accounts of Genesis chapter one and two individually. And then reconcile them. We see that God describes the sequence of creation in the first chapter, describing the “six days of creation” (and a seventh day of rest), then clarifies its most important details especially of the sixth day. Mankind



In Genesis 2 it covers zeroing in or focusing on that which was made in His image. Chapter two describes only one day of that creation week—the sixth day—and there is no contradiction.



There is no contradiction there, merely a common literary device describing an event from the general to the specific. Which is not uncommon.

 

[2Pillars]

Its a common error to look at the two accounts and not reconcile the difference of literary devices. One describes general sequence 1-7 days the other points to the subject mater of day 6 having to do with the gospel , describing an event from the general consensus chapter 1 to the specific chapter 2.

Study both creation accounts of Genesis chapter one and two individually. And then reconcile them. We see that God describes the sequence of creation in the first chapter, describing the “six days of creation” (and a seventh day of rest), then clarifies its most important details especially of the sixth day. Mankind

In Genesis 2 it covers zeroing in or focusing on that which was made in His image. Chapter two describes only one day of that creation week—the sixth day—and there is no contradiction.

There is no contradiction there, merely a common literary device describing an event from the general to the specific. Which is not uncommon.

Dear Garee,

Sorry my friend, I don't agree with you....and I believe that you are grossly mistaken with your doctrinal understanding of Genesis 1&2. Let me again explain and post it for your own benefit.

The first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events (PROPHECY) which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31. Beginning at Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL Scripture refers BACK to the events of one of God's 7 Days which consists of 6 periods of work and 1 Day of Rest which has NO ending.

In fact, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day. Genesis shows that God has 6 Creative Days, and 1 Day of Rest which will Never End. How do you explain that you think God has more than 7 Days in Genesis -- when there’s not even an Evening recorded in the Scripture on the 7th, Day? The 7th Day of God has no End - Eternity.

IOW, Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4 (which I have reconciled and provided the link for you - have you read it?.) The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God bless

 

[Oseas]

eternally-gratefull said:
How long was one rotation of the earth in Genesis?

Oseas said:
Beloved, the rotation of the planet Earth from 6,000 years ago or much much more, It's the same as today, April 19, 2019. And there were evening and morning, the same as today.

So on the evening and the morning, it was 1 day, same as today, during creation. Thank you.

Think well on this:

Yes, God worked during two periods of time. In the first Day He started His works in evening (first period of God's work) and continued in the morning of the Day after, so it was one complete Day, the first Day, or a period of a thousand years, and not 24hours day, as you and many like you interpret by the letter of Scriptures.

In accord you and many people like you, those which interpret by the letter of Scriptures the period of first Day was 24hours day, I would ask also by the letter, as follow:
How could the first, and 2nd, and the 3rd Day of God's work be within a 24hours day, IF both the Sun and Moon had not be created yet?

To say the three first Days are 24hours days have no sense absolutely, even by the letter of Scriptures, much less by the Spirit of the Word of God. To say by the letter of Scriptures the first three Days are 24hours day without the existence of Sun is a nonsense. It's tares.

 

[garee]

Dear Garee,

Sorry my friend, I don't agree with you....and I believe that you are grossly mistaken with your doctrinal understanding of Genesis 1&2. Let me again explain and post it for your own benefit.

The first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events (PROPHECY) which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31. Beginning at Gen 2:4 to the end of Revelation, ALL Scripture refers BACK to the events of one of God's 7 Days which consists of 6 periods of work and 1 Day of Rest which has NO ending.

In fact, there was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day. Genesis shows that God has 6 Creative Days, and 1 Day of Rest which will Never End. How do you explain that you think God has more than 7 Days in Genesis -- when there’s not even an Evening recorded in the Scripture on the 7th, Day? The 7th Day of God has no End - Eternity.

IOW, Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4 (which I have reconciled and provided the link for you - have you read it?.) The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God bless

Hi 2Pillars

You are not considering the two different manners of literature. The first chapter, chapter one reveals the sequence of the events. (Day 1 through 7) And Chapter 2 the focuses on the creation mankind used to represent created in the image of an invisible God. Day 6. Day 3. No Adam

 

[Oseas]

QUOTE="2Pillars, post: 3909863, member: 235062"]I don't find your objection properly articulated and it is without foundation or merit -- Therefore, OBJECTION DENIED.
No rebuttal is needed at this time.[/QUOTE]

It was not an objection of mine, nor a refutation, it's a reaping. The first to be plucked and harvested from the earth is the tares, for to be burned in everlasting fire. And the wheat shall be gathered into the barn of the Lord.

 

[Oseas]

What you want to say with this? That I am no believer?

No, it is even you who are saying that.

It seems me that you cant give an accurate reply.

It's not the case. It seems that you can't understand what the Word of God that was posted is revealing.

You takeing a part of what is written and give either no reply ore an new theme.

If you look well, God's own Word fits perfectly into the response required by your post. There was no need to add anything more to God's Word creating a new theme for you to understand the message of my reply .

Better you should claim your view as an own idea which maby can be true.

I do not work with ideas, or speculations, or suppositions, or presumptions, but revelations given by the own Word of God.

Then to claim your view as truth, and all who dont agree with it, have not the Holy Spirit and are wrong.

What I claim is that the Word of God is Truth, and I take the Word of God as a sharp Sword, those which do not agree with it, "have not the Holy Spirit and are wrong", as you say.

Your view is nothing else then your view if it is not fitting with Gods word.

I agree with you, the views which are not fitting with God's Word are nothing else human or even devilish views (tares, apostasies, false testimony, etc.), reason by which the battle against spiritual wickedness in high places is not easy, but very very terrible.

And presently you show that your view fits not with Gods word.

It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you or of man's Judgment, yea, I judge not mine own self for He that judges me is the Lord, my Lord.

Have a happy resurrection feast!

Brother, I do not share with the idolaters and their devilish feasts, let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to JESUS, for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife must made herself ready.

To her was granted that she be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints (these saints have nothing to do with the idolaters) . Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. These are the true sayings of God.

 

[Dino246]

No, it is even you who are saying that.

What I claim is that the Word of God is Truth, and I take the Word of God as a sharp Sword, those which do not agree with it, "have not the Holy Spirit and are wrong", as you say.

Brother, I do not share with the idolaters and their devilish feasts, let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to JESUS, for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife must made herself ready.

Oseas, please answer this question directly, without any quotations:

Do you consider that any who disagree with you are unsaved?

 

[2Pillars]

Hi 2Pillars

You are not considering the two different manners of literature. The first chapter, chapter one reveals the sequence of the events. (Day 1 through 7) And Chapter 2 the focuses on the creation mankind used to represent created in the image of an invisible God. Day 6. Day 3. No Adam

Dear Garee,

I did consider the two chapter Genesis 1&2 based on your perspective, however, I don't believe you have proven your understanding of the same or support your view with Scriptural Proof Text.

The fact that you were NOT able to disprove what I have posted above contrary to your view... is a very much concern of mine- based on our continuing discussion. JMHO

May the good Lord share you more understanding and wisdom.

God bless

 

[Oseas]

Do you consider that any who disagree with you are unsaved?

No, but that any who disagree with the Word of God.

 

[wolfwint]

No, but that any who disagree with the Word of God.

So disagree with you is disagree with Gods Word? If so, then I can understand you better.

 

[Dino246]

No, but that any who disagree with the Word of God.

Okay, thanks for your answer.

I have another question:
Do you agree that everyone interprets the word of God, including you and me?

 

[wolfwint]

No, it is even you who are saying that.


It's not the case. It seems that you can't understand what the Word of God that was posted is revealing.


If you look well, God's own Word fits perfectly into the response required by your post. There was no need to add anything more to God's Word creating a new theme for you to understand the message of my reply .


I do not work with ideas, or speculations, or suppositions, or presumptions, but revelations given by the own Word of God.


What I claim is that the Word of God is Truth, and I take the Word of God as a sharp Sword, those which do not agree with it, "have not the Holy Spirit and are wrong", as you say.


I agree with you, the views which are not fitting with God's Word are nothing else human or even devilish views (tares, apostasies, false testimony, etc.), reason by which the battle against spiritual wickedness in high places is not easy, but very very terrible.


It is a very small thing that I should be judged of you or of man's Judgment, yea, I judge not mine own self for He that judges me is the Lord, my Lord.


Brother, I do not share with the idolaters and their devilish feasts, let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to JESUS, for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife must made herself ready.

To her was granted that she be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints (these saints have nothing to do with the idolaters) . Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. These are the true sayings of God.

Oh sorry, I thought the Resurrection of Jesus is important for you.
A question, what is your Intention to visit a Homepage of idolaters? ( In your eyes )
Would it not be more fruitful for you to visit Pages of believers which have the same view?