Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

garee · Apr 22, 2019

God is light in Him there is no darkness as evil. In the first Day (24 hours the rotation of the Planet) God began the good work of his faith as our Faithfull Creator. He did not begin by creating darkness. Darkness is not simply that which is void of light. He formed light by creating the Sun and mon the temporal time keepers and created darkness as a evil.

The fourth day began with darkness to represent a fallen presently corrurpted world that God had corrupted.

And again the new restored order will again by the light of His gloriuous appraering.,The Sun and the moon will no longer be needed to repsresent that which is good that that which is evil

A day(24hours) is of 12 hours light. light represents that which is good .And 12 hours darkness or night used to represent that which is not good as a blessing but rather that which is evil a curse. .

.The thousand years is simply used as metaphor to represent. "God is not subject to time". The word thousand throughout the scriptures represents an unknown or not revealed .

Rasputin_OZ · Apr 22, 2019

I guess evening and morning are hard to define as a time period when there was no sun or moon to define that time period

garee · Apr 22, 2019

Rasputin_OZ said:

Hard but not impossible. God is a God who does hides himself . 12 hours He hid the glory. 12 hours revealed His presence. (24 hours one rotation of the earth according to His speed limit 1000 MPH. ).

He called Light good to represent his glory and God divided the light as his glory from the darkness. Darkness his creation that comes from hiding His glory represents evil .Day 4 he switched it over to the temporal under the Sun.

Isaiah 45:14-16 King James Version (KJV)Thus saith the Lord, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God. Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour. They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.

KnowMe · Apr 22, 2019

Rasputin_OZ said:

Pretty much

2Pillars · Apr 25, 2019

God tells us we live in a Multiverse composed of at least 2 or more Universes or Worlds.

Heb 11:3 KJV Through faith we understand that the Worlds (Multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven (Adam’ world) was totally destroyed in the Flood - dissolved and it’s gone forever . ll Peter 3:6 The present Universe will be burned and will also be dissolved. ll Peter 3:10 KJV The third Heaven or World is forever. Rev. 22:5 KJV

The 1st Firmament Heaven, was the World of Adam's, which God called "Heaven". Gen 1:8 KJV. It was made on the 2nd Day.

The Big Bang or the beginning of our universe was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4

Here are my views Scripturally.

Gen 2:4 KJV These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavenS,

The above verse is speaking of a certain Day, the Day the LORD God made Adam’s Earth and the other HeavenS (plural). The above verse is speaking of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10 KJV

How can we explain this? Did God make an error? Or is the Ancient Traditional Goat Herder’s Religious view is flawed? Which one?

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.7 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time.

I like the Fact that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day and the First Stars of our Cosmos did Not put forth their Light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 KJV

Science has recently learned that it took some 500 Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the 1st. Stars put forth their Light.
No Ancient Man could have possibly known this. Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CAN NOT LIE, would get these things scientifically correct, even today.

Our God is an Awesome God

Dino246 · Apr 25, 2019

2Pillars said:

Borderline heresy. The "multiverse" is unscientific anti-God hogwash.

2Pillars said:

This is not consistent with Scripture. The first heaven is the atmosphere (Genesis 1:20). The second is what we call "outer space" - beyond the atmosphere (Genesis 1:14). The third is the abode of God. Revelation 22:5 says nothing about heaven... any of them.

2Pillars said:

Science has done nothing of the sort. First, that's a fallacy of reification. Second, there is no way to "measure" anything in the past. The 13.7B age of the earth is entirely speculative and is based on several assumptions, many of which are contrary to Scripture.

2Pillars said:

The "big bang" is also unscientific hogwash. It is a hypothesis (actually, a set of them) that completely violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics... the most solidly verified physical principle known to humankind.

2Pillars said:

Science hasn't learned anything, ever, and Science cannot learn anything ever, because Science is not a person. Science is not even a computer that can be programmed. Science is a set of principles, practices, discoveries and hypothesis. It also has limits: the hypothesis must be testable and falsifiable. The age of the earth is NOT testable; the age of the universe is even less so.

2Pillars · Apr 25, 2019

Dino246 said:

The point you FAIL to understand due to your malicious EDITION OF QUOTES ... is that I have provided you with Scripture which Science Discoveries agree to after 2k years of study and experimentations... even though SCRIPTURE is written before a single Scientist ever born into this world.

Therefore, your argument and objection is based on only malicious own EDITION OF QUOTES ..,, No rebuttal is necessary....
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Here's again the complete thrust of the quotes that you maliciously edited below for fallacy argument (in brown color)...EAT YOU HEART OUT

Here are my views Scripturally.

Gen 2:4 KJV These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavenS,

The above verse is speaking of a certain Day, the Day the LORD God made Adam’s Earth and the other HeavenS (plural). The above verse is speaking of the 3rd Day, the SAME Day Adam's Earth was made. Gen 1:9-10 KJV

How can we explain this? Did God make an error? Or is the Ancient Traditional Goat Herder’s Religious view is flawed? Which one?

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.7 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time.

I like the Fact that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day and the First Stars of our Cosmos did Not put forth their Light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 KJV

Science has recently learned that it took some 500 Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the 1st. Stars put forth their Light.
No Ancient Man could have possibly known this. Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CAN NOT LIE, would get these things scientifically correct, even today.

Our God is an Awesome God

Dino246 · Apr 25, 2019

2Pillars said:

I understand you just fine; breaking up your post is an efficient method of responding to specific portions. It's standard practice and there is no malice involved. As I said before, get used to it.

2Pillars said:

So my refutations stand. Your reason for not offering a rebuttal is irrelevant.

2Pillars said:

The phrase is "Eat your heart out," though it is a ridiculous comment. You haven't yet grasped the redundance of repeating yourself. I suspect nobody, not even you, reads them the second time through.

Oseas · Apr 26, 2019

garee said:

The wisdom of the Word of God is greater than yours, do not you know of this? The Scriptures do not compare God with the Evil as you do through your foolish and undesirable comparison, absolutely; The Word of God states that "God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all". Psalms 139: v.11-12 reveals:
11 If I say, “Let darkness surround me, let the light around me be night,”
12 even darkness like this is not too dark for you; rather, night is as clear as day, darkness and light are the same.

garee said:

You are mocking of God. Firstly You know not God, you only heard to speak of Him. He himself needs not of faith to create what He wants, who needs of faith are the men. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear, understand? By the way, God is a title. The Word is God, the invisible God, understand?

ITOH, you said: "In the first Day (24 hours the rotation of the Planet)...". It is wrong. The first Day of God's work, as He revealed to Moses and Moses wrote what the own God said unto him, yeah, the first Day were 365.000 days of 24hours, and not 1 day of 24hoursday.

Furthermore, who cried up "Let there be light was JESUS, without Him was not any thing made that was made, understand?

JESUS came here about 4,000 years after Adam, JESUS came in the fourth Day or 1.460.000 days of 24 hours of Gods' works. God was working yet when He sent JESUS here around 4,000 years or 1.460.000 days of 24 hours, understand? I prove this by the Word of God. I prove this by the words spoken by JESUS himself: JESUS said to the Jews: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Then, how many days was God working when JESUS came?

The answer is: God was working exact 1.460.000 days of 24 hours or 4,000 years, in fact to God's time have passed FOUR Days, not four days of 24 hours, absolutely, as you are preaching. Your interpretation is wrong.

garee said:

What you are saying has nothing to do with the Word of God, and much less has to do with how God created things. You are just inventing things and selling speculations and suppositions trying to make believe that what God created created according to the thoughts of your brain and imaginations. You are full of confusion and in great danger spiritually.

garee said:

God never corrupted the world absolutely, who corrupted the World was Satan, and you are saying this in accord the world that was corrupted by the spirit of the Devil. Again you are wrong and saying things that has nothing to do with the Word of God, but words of the Devil.

garee said:

Again, all things you have written have nothing with the Word of God, but with the mind of the corrupted world of the Devil. You are sowing tares exclusively. Aren't you a follower of spiritism? Aren't you a spiritist?

2Pillars · Apr 26, 2019

YHWH, Son of the invisible God, was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father before the Making of Our Physical Worlds (Plural) in the Beginning.

YHWH, the Son, came forth (begotten) into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of the Father when God commanded His first "Word" in the Beginning and said, “Let there be Light; and there was light” (Gen 1:3). And YHWH became the Only God ever Physically formed or that ever will be Physically formed for us to see and witness. He is the Express Image of the invisible God Father, bodily.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

He was Not Created, since He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting.

YHWH, the Son, provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He will be the Light of the New Heaven to come (Omega) ref. Rev 21:23... because, the lamb is the light thereof. His glory is brighter than the noon day sun.

Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed / made - as a Potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God - the first born of every creature.

When All Born Again Christians get to Heaven, we will then truly understand that the Son is our One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily (physically).

Note: The invisible Almighty God Father is a Spirit, without physical shape or form that changes not.

God bless

Oseas · Apr 26, 2019

2Pillars said:

You are saying that in accord your materialist speculations, and suppositions, and inventions, and presumptions, all things interpreted by the letter of Scripture, but the letter kills, so those which interpret Scriptures by the letter, are killers, killers of souls.

But what does the Word of God say? Through FAITH we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. To interpret Scriptures by the letter you need not to have FAITH, your materialistic speculations, and suppositions, and inventions, and presumptions, fully satisfy the intentions of your spirit to spread your false knowledge of the Word of God.

Genesis 1:16 - And God made two Great Lights; the Greater Light to rule the day, ...

Oh how easy is to interpret Genesis 1:v.16 by the letter and say: The Greater Light is the Sun. Pure invention of mere men. If this was true or if it was what God had revealed to Moses, so Moses would have written God made the Sun, evidently, and not Greater Light.

And Moses would never had said and written in the book of Genesis that "God made the Sun" after the rebellion of Eden and the appearance of Adam, first because Moses was no fool and ignorant to say it, but very wise, for the Sun already existed billions of years ago and before Adam, you know?

Well, if the Greater Light made by the Word (Genesis 1:v.16) - the Word is God -, is not really the Sun, then what/whom is the Greater Light (not the Sun) created in the fourth Day - 4.000 years after Adam - or about two thousand years ago from now, for to rule the day? In fact, the Greater Light has nothing to do with the Sun, understand?

By the way, are you children of light and children of the day or are children of the night and of darkness? (1Thes.5:v.5) By your own words and interpreations of Scriptures, it seems you are of the children of the night and of the darkness, and you have nothing of the Greater Light in you.

2Pillars · Apr 26, 2019

Oseas said:

Either you are Delusional that forgot to take your medication.. or you really don't what the hell you are talking about... since, you can NOT even refute a single jot of what I have asserted and posted in Gen 1:1-5

Instead of attacking me personally with your stupidity and foolishness, why don't you just show us your own Scriptural perspective of Genesis 1:1-5... during the First Day of creation.

posthuman · Apr 26, 2019

2Pillars said:

I perceive that God appreciates irony

KnowMe · Apr 26, 2019

hmm wonder why the person who added the verse numbering system in the beginning, divided three mornin n evenin into a single verse and three part of whole verses

KnowMe · Apr 26, 2019

The Creation

1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

The First Day

5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The Second Day

8God called the expanse “sky.”

And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

The Third Day

13And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

The Fourth Day

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

The Fifth Day

23And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

The Sixth Day

31And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good.

And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

KnowMe · Apr 26, 2019

{1:1} In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

{1:6} And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. {1:7} And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament.{1:8} And God called the firmament Heaven. {1:3} And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. {1:4} And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. {1:15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.{1:2} And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. {1:9} And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear. {1:10} And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. {2:6} But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. {2:5} And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. {1:11} And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth. {1:12} And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind. {1:20} And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. {1:21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind. {1:22} And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. {1:24} And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind. {1:25} And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind.{2:7} And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. {1:27} So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. {1:29} And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. {1:30} And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat. {1:31} And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. {2:4} These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, {2:1} Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Oseas · Apr 26, 2019

2Pillars said:

No, I am not delusional, neither I need to take any medication, you are possessed not only by the spirit of infirmity who leads you, but also by the spirit of lie within you, among others, for example the spirit of darkness, which speak by/through you yourself. The theories you have posted have nothing to do with the Word of God, but with false interpretations of Scriptures spread by false preachers of the Word of God, ministers of the Devil (2Cor.11:13-15. Check it)

2Pillars said:

Oh I have just showed here by an extense comment, even in this topic, in april/19/2019, the "Scriptural perspective of Genesis 1:1-5... during the First Day of creation", but you have not spirit for to accept the Truth of God , for God's Truth torments you due the spirit of darkness within you.

Yes, on April 19, 2019 I posted Genesis 1: 1-5 and an extended commentary on these verses, with the following heading:
The works of God MADE through JESUS in the first millennium
Genesis 1:1-5, remembering that God the Almighty calls those things which be not as though they already were.

Well, I am not discussing about foolish theories and teachings you have learned from false preachers of the Word of God, the false prophets, as you have posted in this topic, among others.

I am fighting against three unclean spirits like frogs that come out of the MOUTH of the Dragon - the red Dragon - the own Satan incarnated, and out of the MOUTH the Beast - the idolater and devilish FIRST Beast - , and out of the MOUTH of the false prophet. (All false preachers of the Word of God are false prophets). I know their diabolical spirits like frogs - Revelation 16:v.13-15 - , by the way they make part of the flood that the red Dragon cast out of his mouth (words) as a flood - as a river - against the Church of the Lord JESUS Christ - Revelation 12:v.15-17 - , that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

I know your works, you try to look like you're alive, but you're dead.

Dino246 · Apr 26, 2019

Popcorn anyone? I'm making a truckload.

TamLynn · Apr 26, 2019

Dino246 said:

Extra butter for me please!

2Pillars · Apr 26, 2019

Oseas said:

What you don't like is that I expose the looniness of YOUR False theology.

You falsely assume that your way is better than God's. There are Christians and Tares in every denomination. Christians are those who have been born Spiritually. The rest are phonies like you.

There are those who hypocritically preach good works, while falsely accusing their supposed brethren. Sometimes one can believe that Satan's work is being accomplished by Phonies like you, and Not Heathens.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Mat 23:27

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